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**PhillipHer** · 05-04-2012, 09:18 PM

Yes, I agree with Raghy and Naina makes a valid point of how Westerners have become far too
self-centered and self-willed. Basic trust in people and a sort of mutual inter-dependence is lost.

It's always My life / My money / My career / My job / My mortgages / My loans / My EMIs.
My ex wives may lead to My ex job / My ex career / My ex loans / My ex mortgages / My ex EMIs,
but how about ex children / ex sisters / ex brothers / ex friends ?

Saha na vavathu / saha nou bhunakthu / Saha veeryam karavavahai/
tejasvi navadhitamastu ma vidvishvahai /

Om shanti, shanti shantihi'.

May the Eternal guard us both!
May the Eternal rule us both!
May we both make bold attempts!
May our studies become illuminative!
May no difference arise between us!

Peace, Peace Peace.

Was this meant for married couples or an equation between just about any two
individuals? [ I could have used the word 'relationship' instead of 'equation', but
that again is pregnant with meaning(s) ! ]

Guruvethunai
Yay Yem

Dear sir,

I would find it hard to generalize that only the west is self centred.
I feel selfish and selfless people are everywhere in this world.
In this world actually if we dissect it further we would realize that each action is based on making our own self happy.
Even when we love someone without realizing it we are actually loving a person for the sake of the self which infact is no different from the Supreme Self.

Ravi..wait wait!!! before you react to this!!LOL I have backup evidence to this.
Sage Yajnavalkya said this to his wife Maitreyi:

Everything is the Self, O Maitreyi !

Yajnavalkya said:
"Verily, not for the sake of the husband, my dear, is the husband loved, but he is loved for the sake of the self which, in its true nature, is one with the Supreme Self.
"Verily, not for the sake of the wife, my dear, is the wife loved, but she is loved for the sake of the self.
"Verily, not for the sake of the sons, my dear, are the sons loved, but they are loved for the sake of the self.
"Verily, not for the sake of wealth, my dear, is wealth loved, but it is loved for the sake of the self.
"Verily, not for the sake of the animals, my dear, are the animals loved, but they are loved for the sake of the self.
"Verily, not for the sake of the brahmin, my dear, is the brahmin loved, but he is loved for the sake of the self.
"Verily, not for the sake of the kshatriya, my dear, is the kshatriya loved, but he is loved for the sake of the self.
"Verily, not for the sake of the worlds, my dear, are the worlds loved, but they are loved for the sake of the self.
"Verily, not for the sake of the gods, my dear, are the gods loved, but they are loved for the sake of the self.
"Verily, not for the sake of the Vedas, my dear, are the Vedas loved, but they are loved for the sake of the self.
"Verily, not for the sake of the beings, my dear, are the beings loved, but they are loved for the sake of the self.
"Verily, not for the sake of the All, my dear, is the All loved, but it is loved for the sake of the self.

"Verily, my dear Maitreyi, it is the Self that should be realized—should be heard of, reflected on and meditated upon. By the realisation of the Self, my dear, through hearing, reflection and meditation, all this is known.
taken from:http://www.maharajnisargadatta.com/b...a_maitreyi.php

Dear Manohar sir,we do have this prayer too..where its address purely for our own selves.
(Mama means Mine)

Tvameva Mata ca Pita Tvameva, Tvameva Bandhu ca Sakha Tvameva, Tvameva Vidya DravinamTvameva, Tvameva Sarvam Mama Deva Deva.

05-04-2012, 09:18 PM	#7
PhillipHer Join Date Jun 2008 Age 58 Posts 4,481 Senior Member	Yes, I agree with Raghy and Naina makes a valid point of how Westerners have become far too self-centered and self-willed. Basic trust in people and a sort of mutual inter-dependence is lost. It's always My life / My money / My career / My job / My mortgages / My loans / My EMIs. My ex wives may lead to My ex job / My ex career / My ex loans / My ex mortgages / My ex EMIs, but how about ex children / ex sisters / ex brothers / ex friends ? Saha na vavathu / saha nou bhunakthu / Saha veeryam karavavahai/ tejasvi navadhitamastu ma vidvishvahai / Om shanti, shanti shantihi'. May the Eternal guard us both! May the Eternal rule us both! May we both make bold attempts! May our studies become illuminative! May no difference arise between us! Peace, Peace Peace. Was this meant for married couples or an equation between just about any two individuals? [ I could have used the word 'relationship' instead of 'equation', but that again is pregnant with meaning(s) ! ] Guruvethunai Yay Yem Dear sir, I would find it hard to generalize that only the west is self centred. I feel selfish and selfless people are everywhere in this world. In this world actually if we dissect it further we would realize that each action is based on making our own self happy. Even when we love someone without realizing it we are actually loving a person for the sake of the self which infact is no different from the Supreme Self. Ravi..wait wait!!! before you react to this!!LOL I have backup evidence to this. Sage Yajnavalkya said this to his wife Maitreyi: Everything is the Self, O Maitreyi ! Yajnavalkya said: "Verily, not for the sake of the husband, my dear, is the husband loved, but he is loved for the sake of the self which, in its true nature, is one with the Supreme Self. "Verily, not for the sake of the wife, my dear, is the wife loved, but she is loved for the sake of the self. "Verily, not for the sake of the sons, my dear, are the sons loved, but they are loved for the sake of the self. "Verily, not for the sake of wealth, my dear, is wealth loved, but it is loved for the sake of the self. "Verily, not for the sake of the animals, my dear, are the animals loved, but they are loved for the sake of the self. "Verily, not for the sake of the brahmin, my dear, is the brahmin loved, but he is loved for the sake of the self. "Verily, not for the sake of the kshatriya, my dear, is the kshatriya loved, but he is loved for the sake of the self. "Verily, not for the sake of the worlds, my dear, are the worlds loved, but they are loved for the sake of the self. "Verily, not for the sake of the gods, my dear, are the gods loved, but they are loved for the sake of the self. "Verily, not for the sake of the Vedas, my dear, are the Vedas loved, but they are loved for the sake of the self. "Verily, not for the sake of the beings, my dear, are the beings loved, but they are loved for the sake of the self. "Verily, not for the sake of the All, my dear, is the All loved, but it is loved for the sake of the self. "Verily, my dear Maitreyi, it is the Self that should be realized—should be heard of, reflected on and meditated upon. By the realisation of the Self, my dear, through hearing, reflection and meditation, all this is known. taken from:http://www.maharajnisargadatta.com/b...a_maitreyi.php Dear Manohar sir,we do have this prayer too..where its address purely for our own selves. (Mama means Mine) Tvameva Mata ca Pita Tvameva, Tvameva Bandhu ca Sakha Tvameva, Tvameva Vidya DravinamTvameva, Tvameva Sarvam Mama Deva Deva.
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