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**doctorzlo** · 05-02-2012, 07:26 AM

1. If the big bang marked the beginning of everything, what was there before that?
2. If what we see/perceive is the universe, what is there outside the universe?

1. Acc. to Vedas, SAT/Self alone existed in the beginning. Even from Purusha Sukta (Rig veda), Purusha himself is the sacrifice and everything sprang from Him. The first subtle/indiscrete/insentient PradhAna (meaning foremost) was 'co-existent' with the Purusha (says VP). Matter cannot agitate on its own to create gross forms or expand/Big Bang. Thus, Purusha/Intelligent Self is the cause for the big-bang, and the Primal Matter cannot exist independent of Him. All the avatars, are the will/power of the Lord to bring about the gross forms/lokas.

VP (Vishnu Purana) says "To Him, whose faculty to create the universe abides in, but a part of the ten-millionth part of Him", such is His might and will. A mere matter/jiva helpless and dependent on Him, cannot be the First cause of creation, nor can become Brahman in Svarupa/Glorious Nature.

The Avyakta (unevolved) was contained in Him, and He became the Self of all to sustain the creation. So, He is both transcendental (beyond/separate abode), and immanent(antaryami) of the creation.

2. The Vishnu loka is 3 part and the creation is only 1 part of that the whole wealth. If we understand the vedic concept of Time, we may comprehend the vastness of space and the Glory of that Supreme Person.

1 nimesha of Vishnu is 180 years of Brahma, 1 day of Brahma is 1000 Maha yuga, 1 maha yuga is 12000 deva years/pole star (dhruva on whose axis the solar system moves), 1 deva year is 360 human years.

A Maha pralaya is just one minute of Vishnu's time (a wink of His eye). Even, when Brahma's life-long yoga on Vishnu would look void, our past-time devotion would be considered even more pathetic!!

As the dissolutions are incremental, for each day of Brahma, the lower 3 lokas go through cycles of creation, while the upper lokas still remain. Time may be circular, within these manvantaras/great ages small crunch. But, Brahma life continues linearly.

At the end of Brahma's life (Big Crunch), the Supreme Person time (every minute) is very still, it is still linear but infinite. There would be many such Brahma's and Brahma's creation/kalpas. That 1/4 th part material creation is temporary, whereas the vaikunta abode of Vishnu (beyond the paar-kadal/material universe) is infinite and it is bright day always there and never sets!!

05-02-2012, 07:26 AM	#29
doctorzlo Join Date Jun 2006 Posts 4,488 Senior Member	1. If the big bang marked the beginning of everything, what was there before that? 2. If what we see/perceive is the universe, what is there outside the universe? 1. Acc. to Vedas, SAT/Self alone existed in the beginning. Even from Purusha Sukta (Rig veda), Purusha himself is the sacrifice and everything sprang from Him. The first subtle/indiscrete/insentient PradhAna (meaning foremost) was 'co-existent' with the Purusha (says VP). Matter cannot agitate on its own to create gross forms or expand/Big Bang. Thus, Purusha/Intelligent Self is the cause for the big-bang, and the Primal Matter cannot exist independent of Him. All the avatars, are the will/power of the Lord to bring about the gross forms/lokas. VP (Vishnu Purana) says "To Him, whose faculty to create the universe abides in, but a part of the ten-millionth part of Him", such is His might and will. A mere matter/jiva helpless and dependent on Him, cannot be the First cause of creation, nor can become Brahman in Svarupa/Glorious Nature. The Avyakta (unevolved) was contained in Him, and He became the Self of all to sustain the creation. So, He is both transcendental (beyond/separate abode), and immanent(antaryami) of the creation. 2. The Vishnu loka is 3 part and the creation is only 1 part of that the whole wealth. If we understand the vedic concept of Time, we may comprehend the vastness of space and the Glory of that Supreme Person. 1 nimesha of Vishnu is 180 years of Brahma, 1 day of Brahma is 1000 Maha yuga, 1 maha yuga is 12000 deva years/pole star (dhruva on whose axis the solar system moves), 1 deva year is 360 human years. A Maha pralaya is just one minute of Vishnu's time (a wink of His eye). Even, when Brahma's life-long yoga on Vishnu would look void, our past-time devotion would be considered even more pathetic!! As the dissolutions are incremental, for each day of Brahma, the lower 3 lokas go through cycles of creation, while the upper lokas still remain. Time may be circular, within these manvantaras/great ages small crunch. But, Brahma life continues linearly. At the end of Brahma's life (Big Crunch), the Supreme Person time (every minute) is very still, it is still linear but infinite. There would be many such Brahma's and Brahma's creation/kalpas. That 1/4 th part material creation is temporary, whereas the vaikunta abode of Vishnu (beyond the paar-kadal/material universe) is infinite and it is bright day always there and never sets!!
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