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**Drugmachine** · 04-26-2012, 02:51 PM

dear renukaji,
since you are a doctor by profession (as I suppose from your example) about 10 years back we were having only MBBS doctors., People used to go to them for medical checkup and they used to diagonise problem and give treatment. But science has grown so much that every part of our body has a specialised doctor who more depends on lab results. In the same way inBharath we have guides specialised in many ways to take us to mukthi marga whereas in other parts of world.they are just as with mbbs doctor. Here unityof humanity is not in question. Scope for upliftment was the point raised by e and I stick to the same.

Dear sir,

I get what you mean. You want to view India as ONE INDIA where everyone is the same.
In fact I feel may be you are being misunderstood in this thread.
I get what you are trying to say.
You feel there is more scope for a spiritual upliftment for a person born in India cos there are many aspects of the ONE God to cater to the specialized spiritual needs.

Ok lets put it this way..lets take God as the Divine Physician. For example take Lord Shiva, He is often described as Bheshajam Bhava Roginam ..the Divine Physician for the Diseases of Existence.
So lets make Him the Health Minister..working under Him there are many directors,officers,medical personnel for the well being of the patient.

The aim of the whole Divine Ministry of Health is to make us Mrityunjaya(to conquer death) and to guide us right from our existence so that we are never born again and no need to die again and again.

So sir..this is in a nutshell what you were trying to say.
But tell me the truth sir..how many people in this world or even in India actually think on these lines when the common man is more worried when his next meal is coming.

We really cant think of God and spiritual upliftment on an empty stomach.

Thats why I feel Caturvarna is actually describing the spiritual stages of our lives.

Working hard and dependent on others for sustenance (Shudra)
Able to provide for oneself(Vaisya)
Starting to fight the battle of one's own senses(Kshatriya)
Contemplating on God and realizing Brahman(Brahmana)

This is how I would like to view the Caturvarna system

Just to add..no one can uplift anyone else except himself..after all didnt Lord Krishna say:

Uddharet Atmana Atmanam Natmanam Avasadayet
Atmaiva Hyatmano Bandhuratmaiva Ripuratmanah.

"Let a man raise himself by himself, let him not lower himself; for he alone is the friend of himself, he alone is the enemy of himself."

04-26-2012, 02:51 PM	#30
Drugmachine Join Date Apr 2006 Posts 4,490 Senior Member	dear renukaji, since you are a doctor by profession (as I suppose from your example) about 10 years back we were having only MBBS doctors., People used to go to them for medical checkup and they used to diagonise problem and give treatment. But science has grown so much that every part of our body has a specialised doctor who more depends on lab results. In the same way inBharath we have guides specialised in many ways to take us to mukthi marga whereas in other parts of world.they are just as with mbbs doctor. Here unityof humanity is not in question. Scope for upliftment was the point raised by e and I stick to the same. Dear sir, I get what you mean. You want to view India as ONE INDIA where everyone is the same. In fact I feel may be you are being misunderstood in this thread. I get what you are trying to say. You feel there is more scope for a spiritual upliftment for a person born in India cos there are many aspects of the ONE God to cater to the specialized spiritual needs. Ok lets put it this way..lets take God as the Divine Physician. For example take Lord Shiva, He is often described as Bheshajam Bhava Roginam ..the Divine Physician for the Diseases of Existence. So lets make Him the Health Minister..working under Him there are many directors,officers,medical personnel for the well being of the patient. The aim of the whole Divine Ministry of Health is to make us Mrityunjaya(to conquer death) and to guide us right from our existence so that we are never born again and no need to die again and again. So sir..this is in a nutshell what you were trying to say. But tell me the truth sir..how many people in this world or even in India actually think on these lines when the common man is more worried when his next meal is coming. We really cant think of God and spiritual upliftment on an empty stomach. Thats why I feel Caturvarna is actually describing the spiritual stages of our lives. Working hard and dependent on others for sustenance (Shudra) Able to provide for oneself(Vaisya) Starting to fight the battle of one's own senses(Kshatriya) Contemplating on God and realizing Brahman(Brahmana) This is how I would like to view the Caturvarna system Just to add..no one can uplift anyone else except himself..after all didnt Lord Krishna say: Uddharet Atmana Atmanam Natmanam Avasadayet Atmaiva Hyatmano Bandhuratmaiva Ripuratmanah. "Let a man raise himself by himself, let him not lower himself; for he alone is the friend of himself, he alone is the enemy of himself."
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