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**LottiFurmann** · 04-27-2012, 04:23 AM

dear renukaji,
first of all thank you for understanding my point of view to a certain extent.
madam, from your explanation of chathurvarna do you mean that only person well off (monetarily/physically) can only be treated as brahmana and he onlyhave time/ability to devote for salvation. I am intererested in your views. can you explainmore.

Dear sir,

I never mentioned richness anywhere in my description of the spiritual aspect of the Caturvarna.
I used the word sustenance.
Man needs some basic amount of Roti,Kapda Aur Makaan for a decent life.

Ok lets take Kuchela episode..he was facing financial insecurity and even his wife and kids had hardly food and he was too worried about sustenance of life.
Thats why he sought to see Lord Krishna hoping He would solve his problems.
Kuchela had faith in God but in time of adversity he wanted some material to feed his wife and children.
Thats the normal reaction of any human being...anyone of us will be agitated if we have to worry if our spouse and kids might get their next meal or not.

Only when all basic needs in life are met the mind can focus on the final aspect of religion.

For that matter even if you notice the evolution of the Vedas you will realize that man is expected to meet all his basic needs before he can even have an idea of any Mahavakya of the Vedas.

At the beginning man worshiped nature..hence we see praises to the Devas which govern nature like the Sun,Wind,Rain/Water,Fire etc.

Then when man learnt to harness the power of nature..agriculture came into the picture and we see more rituals on increasing grain and rain for a better harvest.

Then when men became a bit more financially stable there are rituals on acquiring cattle,wealth.

Next stage is when men desire heavenly status and yagnas for enjoying higher heavenly status which are usually carried out by Kings.

In the above stages the idea of a personal god(Saguna Brahman) has a firm footing cos man needs a focus for his mind.
And the various aspects of Saguna Brahman helps shape a mans intellect too.

Final stage is when men realizes the impermanence of family, wealth and even heaven, he desires liberation and the idea of a personal god ceases to be and finally realizes Brahman hence a Brahmana.

04-27-2012, 04:23 AM	#36
LottiFurmann Join Date Jan 2008 Posts 4,494 Senior Member	dear renukaji, first of all thank you for understanding my point of view to a certain extent. madam, from your explanation of chathurvarna do you mean that only person well off (monetarily/physically) can only be treated as brahmana and he onlyhave time/ability to devote for salvation. I am intererested in your views. can you explainmore. Dear sir, I never mentioned richness anywhere in my description of the spiritual aspect of the Caturvarna. I used the word sustenance. Man needs some basic amount of Roti,Kapda Aur Makaan for a decent life. Ok lets take Kuchela episode..he was facing financial insecurity and even his wife and kids had hardly food and he was too worried about sustenance of life. Thats why he sought to see Lord Krishna hoping He would solve his problems. Kuchela had faith in God but in time of adversity he wanted some material to feed his wife and children. Thats the normal reaction of any human being...anyone of us will be agitated if we have to worry if our spouse and kids might get their next meal or not. Only when all basic needs in life are met the mind can focus on the final aspect of religion. For that matter even if you notice the evolution of the Vedas you will realize that man is expected to meet all his basic needs before he can even have an idea of any Mahavakya of the Vedas. At the beginning man worshiped nature..hence we see praises to the Devas which govern nature like the Sun,Wind,Rain/Water,Fire etc. Then when man learnt to harness the power of nature..agriculture came into the picture and we see more rituals on increasing grain and rain for a better harvest. Then when men became a bit more financially stable there are rituals on acquiring cattle,wealth. Next stage is when men desire heavenly status and yagnas for enjoying higher heavenly status which are usually carried out by Kings. In the above stages the idea of a personal god(Saguna Brahman) has a firm footing cos man needs a focus for his mind. And the various aspects of Saguna Brahman helps shape a mans intellect too. Final stage is when men realizes the impermanence of family, wealth and even heaven, he desires liberation and the idea of a personal god ceases to be and finally realizes Brahman hence a Brahmana.
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