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**tgs** · 04-17-2012, 09:24 AM

....anyways the article is bizarre it says at every step Vedic Aryans & then says all these are existing for 1000s of years & no migration happened - LOL !!

Dear Jaykay, I must say you raise some compelling questions, but the answers you provide are no less assertive and free of evidence than those who cite Hindutva propaganda. What you offer by way of evidence seems very farfetched, and in some instances, demonstrably false.

The claim that Sanskrit was the language of Nagas who lived near Nagappattinam, and they "gave" it to Devas or Aryas of Andhra Pradesh seems quite farfetched. You cannot simply assert this on the basis of some obscure inscription. What happened to these Nagas? What happened to the use of Sanskrit near Nagappattinam? How come Sanskrit is confined only to Brahmins, and to some NBs who try to enhance their social status through Sanksritization? If its origin is near Nagappattinam, how come it is called Vadamozi by the Tamils even as far back as Tholkappiyam?

You assert Homer's Iliad is copied from Ramayana, but offer nothing but faulty and wild speculations as evidence. You assert a Greek connection to Tamil Nadu through Megasthenes. His life spanned, according Wikipedia, circa 350 – 290 BCE. Compare this date to the date of Homer's Iliad, circa 8th century BCE. Homer is said to have composed Iliad some 500 years after the presumed events he sang about. This would place the war between Achaeans and the Trojans around 1300 BCE, roughly 1000 years before Megasthenes was even born. Further, the earliest dating of Valmiki Ramayanam is 5th century BCE. If the story of Valmiki raising Rama's children are to be believed, the presumed events of Ramayana has to be around the 5th century BCE, centuries before Megasthenes' mom and dad were even conceived.

You know, this AIT has become a political question these days. It was not so, until recently. Brahmins openly touted themselves as Aryans, they used the term Aryan to mean Brahmins quite freely. Even the terms Aiyer and Aiyengar are supposed to be derivatives of Arya. In general they looked down upon Tamil. They ascribed a Sanskrit source for anything expressed in Tamil, they did this to even Thirukkural. Such abject attempts to claim Sanskrit supremacy over Tamil, among other things, led to the charge that Brahmins/Aryans are alien to the Dravidian land. It is in response to this the Hindutva politicians in India started questioning AIT and have turned it into a political issue.

Whether AIT is true or is it AMT, let the genuine historians work it out. However, one thing is clear, there is undeniable DNA evidence that shows increasing patrilineal genetic similarity with increasing caste rank (i.e. the upper castes, the ones who claim to be Aryans) to Europeans of the caucuses/Central Asia. The Greeks of Megasthenes came centuries later to India to be a source, let alone the exclusive source, of this genetic similarity.

Cheers!

04-17-2012, 09:24 AM	#16
tgs Join Date Mar 2007 Age 48 Posts 5,125 Senior Member	....anyways the article is bizarre it says at every step Vedic Aryans & then says all these are existing for 1000s of years & no migration happened - LOL !! Dear Jaykay, I must say you raise some compelling questions, but the answers you provide are no less assertive and free of evidence than those who cite Hindutva propaganda. What you offer by way of evidence seems very farfetched, and in some instances, demonstrably false. The claim that Sanskrit was the language of Nagas who lived near Nagappattinam, and they "gave" it to Devas or Aryas of Andhra Pradesh seems quite farfetched. You cannot simply assert this on the basis of some obscure inscription. What happened to these Nagas? What happened to the use of Sanskrit near Nagappattinam? How come Sanskrit is confined only to Brahmins, and to some NBs who try to enhance their social status through Sanksritization? If its origin is near Nagappattinam, how come it is called Vadamozi by the Tamils even as far back as Tholkappiyam? You assert Homer's Iliad is copied from Ramayana, but offer nothing but faulty and wild speculations as evidence. You assert a Greek connection to Tamil Nadu through Megasthenes. His life spanned, according Wikipedia, circa 350 – 290 BCE. Compare this date to the date of Homer's Iliad, circa 8th century BCE. Homer is said to have composed Iliad some 500 years after the presumed events he sang about. This would place the war between Achaeans and the Trojans around 1300 BCE, roughly 1000 years before Megasthenes was even born. Further, the earliest dating of Valmiki Ramayanam is 5th century BCE. If the story of Valmiki raising Rama's children are to be believed, the presumed events of Ramayana has to be around the 5th century BCE, centuries before Megasthenes' mom and dad were even conceived. You know, this AIT has become a political question these days. It was not so, until recently. Brahmins openly touted themselves as Aryans, they used the term Aryan to mean Brahmins quite freely. Even the terms Aiyer and Aiyengar are supposed to be derivatives of Arya. In general they looked down upon Tamil. They ascribed a Sanskrit source for anything expressed in Tamil, they did this to even Thirukkural. Such abject attempts to claim Sanskrit supremacy over Tamil, among other things, led to the charge that Brahmins/Aryans are alien to the Dravidian land. It is in response to this the Hindutva politicians in India started questioning AIT and have turned it into a political issue. Whether AIT is true or is it AMT, let the genuine historians work it out. However, one thing is clear, there is undeniable DNA evidence that shows increasing patrilineal genetic similarity with increasing caste rank (i.e. the upper castes, the ones who claim to be Aryans) to Europeans of the caucuses/Central Asia. The Greeks of Megasthenes came centuries later to India to be a source, let alone the exclusive source, of this genetic similarity. Cheers!
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