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**MortgFinsJohnQ** · 08-19-2012, 06:53 PM

So it's worth a huge national campaign to stop something that is not proven to be happening from happening, no matter the cost?

Are you arguing that the convictions are the only occurrences? With loose controls convictions will be difficult, with tighter controls the fraud will be difficult. I'll take the later. And since you edited into the next part of your response a pertinent bit of my answer (instead of here where it belongs) I will repeat: Any potential election fraud that can be dealt with this easily should be.

Of course they are being disenfranchised, these laws stop people who can currently vote from voting. You can argue that they can go out and fulfil the new conditions, but that still acts as an impediment on voting. As it keeps being pointed out, many of these laws make it very difficult for some people to receive the proper ID, including people who are infirm, people who cannot easily travel to the required locations, people who lack acceptable birth certificates (which is a suprisingly large number of people) and many more.

So you keep saying but I simply don't believe this is as huge a number as you claim, certainly not millions. If it is then a case study should be easily available...

It comes back every time to why this is being done though. There is no evidence that there is a problem and there is a mass of evidence showing that the 'solution' is going to screw over a huge number of people. What possible justification can there be for this other than voter suppresion? Again, it is a reasonable requirement that should be easy enough to do for anyone that for some reason (!!) still lacks proper ID. Election fairness requires that not only are all allowed to vote but that the voting will be done fairly.

Getting ID once is certainly easier than trotting out to the polls every 4 years.

08-19-2012, 06:53 PM	#21
MortgFinsJohnQ Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 608 Senior Member	So it's worth a huge national campaign to stop something that is not proven to be happening from happening, no matter the cost? Are you arguing that the convictions are the only occurrences? With loose controls convictions will be difficult, with tighter controls the fraud will be difficult. I'll take the later. And since you edited into the next part of your response a pertinent bit of my answer (instead of here where it belongs) I will repeat: Any potential election fraud that can be dealt with this easily should be. Of course they are being disenfranchised, these laws stop people who can currently vote from voting. You can argue that they can go out and fulfil the new conditions, but that still acts as an impediment on voting. As it keeps being pointed out, many of these laws make it very difficult for some people to receive the proper ID, including people who are infirm, people who cannot easily travel to the required locations, people who lack acceptable birth certificates (which is a suprisingly large number of people) and many more. So you keep saying but I simply don't believe this is as huge a number as you claim, certainly not millions. If it is then a case study should be easily available... It comes back every time to why this is being done though. There is no evidence that there is a problem and there is a mass of evidence showing that the 'solution' is going to screw over a huge number of people. What possible justification can there be for this other than voter suppresion? Again, it is a reasonable requirement that should be easy enough to do for anyone that for some reason (!!) still lacks proper ID. Election fairness requires that not only are all allowed to vote but that the voting will be done fairly. Getting ID once is certainly easier than trotting out to the polls every 4 years.
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