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**Pcodaygs** · 08-19-2012, 09:06 PM

You're personal feelings about photo IDs still don't change the fact that requiring photo IDs to vote disenfranchises specific groups of people.

Also, I can't see the connection with desiring more freedoms (as you claim you want), yet wanting everyone to have to carry around a photo ID. What's the point of a photo ID other than to apply an often needless restriction on people? They can be faked easily enough that people who want to abuse the system can and will do it, and those who are honest will be more likely to be harmed or inconvenienced by it.

I'm only being inconsistent with your caricature of my views. I never said that people should "have to carry around a photo ID." I observed that IDs are a part of daily life for most adults, and it's reasonable to expect people to have them. I have no problem with people leaving their photo ID at home in a coffee can, along with their birth certificate and everything else. Pull it out when you know you're going to need it. But honestly representing other people's views has never been your forte, has it?

It's appropriate for governments to regulate how elections are conducted and to ensure that people who are voting are who they say they are. Asking people to identify themselves before receiving a ballot is a reasonable request. If some people refuse to get IDs and are disenfranchised, I don't care.

If photo IDs can be easily faked, and if people who want to abuse the system and and will do it, then why should we ever use them for anything? Why do I need an ID to buy a gun, fly on a plane, ride Amtrak, buy cold medicine, buy alcohol, or rent a car? Maybe because they're not easily faked, and maybe because the people who abuse the system are usually caught and punished quite quickly.

08-19-2012, 09:06 PM	#36
Pcodaygs Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 414 Senior Member	You're personal feelings about photo IDs still don't change the fact that requiring photo IDs to vote disenfranchises specific groups of people. Also, I can't see the connection with desiring more freedoms (as you claim you want), yet wanting everyone to have to carry around a photo ID. What's the point of a photo ID other than to apply an often needless restriction on people? They can be faked easily enough that people who want to abuse the system can and will do it, and those who are honest will be more likely to be harmed or inconvenienced by it. I'm only being inconsistent with your caricature of my views. I never said that people should "have to carry around a photo ID." I observed that IDs are a part of daily life for most adults, and it's reasonable to expect people to have them. I have no problem with people leaving their photo ID at home in a coffee can, along with their birth certificate and everything else. Pull it out when you know you're going to need it. But honestly representing other people's views has never been your forte, has it? It's appropriate for governments to regulate how elections are conducted and to ensure that people who are voting are who they say they are. Asking people to identify themselves before receiving a ballot is a reasonable request. If some people refuse to get IDs and are disenfranchised, I don't care. If photo IDs can be easily faked, and if people who want to abuse the system and and will do it, then why should we ever use them for anything? Why do I need an ID to buy a gun, fly on a plane, ride Amtrak, buy cold medicine, buy alcohol, or rent a car? Maybe because they're not easily faked, and maybe because the people who abuse the system are usually caught and punished quite quickly.
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