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**MannoFr** · 10-24-2005, 06:11 PM

Friends,

We shall look on Development of Saivam, or Proper Tamil word Sivaniyam. We do not have Sivan in Tolkappiyam, however As Vedas are referred in at various points, certainly Siva-Rudran is Known to TholKappiar.

Of the Sangam Collections- Kalithogai and ThiruMurugatrupadai are fully Saivastic, and Paripadal when refers to God Muruga’s birth and on Devas Getting Amirtham-Parkadal Kadaithal and Siva Drinking of Poison is said.

The Name Siva is not seen in Sangam Literature at all. Earliest use is as SaivaVathi- in Manimekhalai. Siva is referred as ManiMidarran- Who drank Poison; Sadaian- who has Ganges and Moon in his Sadai; and Mukkannan – for having Third Eye.All of this have been covered in Sangam Lit.

Sangam Literature and Tholkappiyam gives two different worship methods, One is Vedic- by Anthanars; with Fire, Mantras etc., and other is Veriyattu, specifically said for Murugan and also for Durga-Korravai. The Priest is called Velan, and He Sings And Dances Loudly and starts speaking for God, and tells solutions for problems of people.

Friends, Surprisingly- the Hebrew Bible or Old Testament’s altimate God is called ElShaddai and as Bible Lexicons say its Etymology and origin is unknown, and as OT is dated close to Sangam Period- we can say Elshaddai is Siva- My detailed posting shortly in Sanskrit Literature is Elder forum.

When Tamilnadu was dominated by Samanar’s Arrogance, the arrival of 63 Nayanmars took place and Saivam was Revived.

Friends- My posting on Saiva food is due to specific posting bt FSG earlier and as usual Idiyappam has DeConstructed Tirukural, friends please read PulanMaruthal Athikaram26- Arul is always considered as Divine Blessings in Kural 251 and Kural 252 is much more clear here and Valluvar finishes the Atikaram with

Kollan Pulalai Maruttanai KaiKooppi
Ella Vuyirum Tholum -260.

Certainly those of us who are used to Non-Veg, it would be difficult- but Valluvar is clear and Non-Veg is a start from Later Vedics.

Of the Tamil Saiva Literture-Thirumoolar is considered the Oldest- end 5th Cen or mostly 6th Cen, but we have quiet a lot of interpolations in TiruMoolar works.

I shall give you a major collection of Verses on Siva in Sangam works in my next postings.

MosesSolomon

10-24-2005, 06:11 PM	#5
MannoFr Join Date Mar 2007 Posts 4,451 Senior Member	Friends, We shall look on Development of Saivam, or Proper Tamil word Sivaniyam. We do not have Sivan in Tolkappiyam, however As Vedas are referred in at various points, certainly Siva-Rudran is Known to TholKappiar. Of the Sangam Collections- Kalithogai and ThiruMurugatrupadai are fully Saivastic, and Paripadal when refers to God Muruga’s birth and on Devas Getting Amirtham-Parkadal Kadaithal and Siva Drinking of Poison is said. The Name Siva is not seen in Sangam Literature at all. Earliest use is as SaivaVathi- in Manimekhalai. Siva is referred as ManiMidarran- Who drank Poison; Sadaian- who has Ganges and Moon in his Sadai; and Mukkannan – for having Third Eye.All of this have been covered in Sangam Lit. Sangam Literature and Tholkappiyam gives two different worship methods, One is Vedic- by Anthanars; with Fire, Mantras etc., and other is Veriyattu, specifically said for Murugan and also for Durga-Korravai. The Priest is called Velan, and He Sings And Dances Loudly and starts speaking for God, and tells solutions for problems of people. Friends, Surprisingly- the Hebrew Bible or Old Testament’s altimate God is called ElShaddai and as Bible Lexicons say its Etymology and origin is unknown, and as OT is dated close to Sangam Period- we can say Elshaddai is Siva- My detailed posting shortly in Sanskrit Literature is Elder forum. When Tamilnadu was dominated by Samanar’s Arrogance, the arrival of 63 Nayanmars took place and Saivam was Revived. Friends- My posting on Saiva food is due to specific posting bt FSG earlier and as usual Idiyappam has DeConstructed Tirukural, friends please read PulanMaruthal Athikaram26- Arul is always considered as Divine Blessings in Kural 251 and Kural 252 is much more clear here and Valluvar finishes the Atikaram with Kollan Pulalai Maruttanai KaiKooppi Ella Vuyirum Tholum -260. Certainly those of us who are used to Non-Veg, it would be difficult- but Valluvar is clear and Non-Veg is a start from Later Vedics. Of the Tamil Saiva Literture-Thirumoolar is considered the Oldest- end 5th Cen or mostly 6th Cen, but we have quiet a lot of interpolations in TiruMoolar works. I shall give you a major collection of Verses on Siva in Sangam works in my next postings. MosesSolomon
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