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**Slonopotam845** · 01-03-2007, 04:04 AM

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As you said 'Nanmarai' - Moolamarai' specified 'Isai (Music)' also.

Second Chankam Tholkappiam & Third Chankam literatures ‘Paripadal’, ‘Kurunthokai’ & Thirukkural follow ‘Iynthiram’ which was ‘Naanmarai’(Moola marai) and this school of thought contains ‘Enniyal-Alavaiyiyal’(Theory of Reasoning & Logic), Oham-Udal (Medicine), & Ulakayitham ( Materialism).

Prof. A. Chakravarthi Nayinar says this as “Pootha vatham” (Theory of Universe). Theory of Evolution, Thoery of Cause and Effect and Theory of Hadonism – all come under this school of thought. I may write about it in detail later.

In Paripadal,

“ Naanmarai Virithu nallisai Vilakkum
Vaimozhi Pulavar Kenmin…………..
……………………………………….

“Akaral ariya aniyizhai nallar
Ikaralai kondu thunikkum thavarilarith
Thallap Porul yiyalpin THAN (D)TAMIZHAI Vanthilar
Kollari kuntru payan?” (1)

Paripadal timeline is 300 BCE. Vaduku Poosaris (1000 ACE) Created wrong meaning based on Vedic traditions & wrote explanatory note as ‘Nanmarai’- Rig, Yasur, Sama, Atharvana Vedha, Vaimozhi – Unwritten.

‘Isai’(music) & ‘Maruththuvam’ (Medicine) were condemned by Vedhas.

Vedhic Manusmirithi says, “ One must not eagerly desire wealth by music, no dance, no sing, nor play musical instruments” (2)

‘Aritha Sasthra’ also condemns Musicians. “Artisans, musicians, beggars, buffoons and other idlers who are thieves” (3)

How Vedhas do explain ‘Nallisai’ (music)? ‘Chathur Vedhas’ are not specified here.

Here we have to derive the meaning based on Tamil ‘Iynthiram’ traditions.

Naanmarai- Moolamarai. Moola marai is ‘Iynthiram’. Vaimozhi’ means ‘Mei mozhi’(truth). In ‘Nallisai’ (music) history from time immemorial to till 1100 ACE ‘Tamil Panars’ only prevailed. Vedhicism condemned music. ‘Thevaram’ lines were made music by a lady from the generation of Thiru Nila kanda Yazhpanar.(4)

The above poetry was written by ‘Kuntram Poothanar.’ His name itself specifies he is from ‘Poothavatham / Iynthiram’ traditions. He wanted to specify that Kathal / Kamam and its feelings are more enjoyable than the music. ‘Aniyizai nallar’- women.

‘Iynthiram Niraintha Tholkappian’ says, “Enbamum Porulum Aranum Entranku…” –The “Iynthiram” traditions.(5)

The same is told by valluvar as,

“Undarkan alla thadunara KAMAM pol
Kandar Makizhseithal Entru” (6)

Nothing is enjoyable than Kamam is this meaning. Tamils organized this natural behavior of men through “Akam”.

Human naturality is to get ‘Enbam’ (pleasure). For that he needs porul (material). It should be got from Aram (morality/Virtue).

The only language that put grammar for this Enbam as ‘akam’ is tamil in world. The same tradition was transformed by ‘Vathsayana’ who wrote ‘Kama Sastra’ (800 ACE). His mother tongue was tamil and he was belonging to Kanchipuram.

In Kurunthokai which was written by Enathi Nedunkannanar also eulogize this tradition.

“PARPANA MAKANEI ! Parpana Makanei !
…………………
Ezuthak karpin Nin chol Ullum
Pirinthore Punarkkum Panbin
Marunthum undoe mayalo ethuvae ! (7)

Here the meaning of “Ezuthak Karpu” is wrongly meant & spelt by vaduku poosaris as ‘Unwritten Vedhas’ !

Whenever ‘Parpan’ found it is usual for vaduku poosaris to mean as Vedhas !

Here once again we have to derive the meaning based on “Iynthiram” traditions.

The duty of Parpan is explained in Tholkappiam.

“KAMA NILAI uraithalum, Ther nilai uraithalum,
KIZHAVONE kurippinai Yeduththanar Mozhithalum,
…………………………………..
Annavai Piravum Parparkku Uriya”(8)

‘Kamanilai uraithal’- means ‘The Hero & Heroine desire to mingle shall be communicated by ‘Parpan’ between the two. That is why Enathi Nedunkannanar calls ‘Parpan’ who is acting as main instrument in ‘Kalavu’(love) and ‘Karpu’(marriage).

In ‘Kalavu’ the pain of separation can be wiped by medicine of mingling. It is great “mayal” (Unconscious pleasure). But in Karpu this situation won’t come since ‘mingling’ is ascertained. So, he questioned the ‘Parpan’ whether any medicine available in ‘Karpu’.
Ezhuthak karpu- “Eeru ketta Ethirmarai Peyaraccham”- as per tamil grammar.

For example, ‘Vilanka Nirkum’ means ‘Vilanki nirkum’-(stand as explained). In the same way ‘Ezhutha karpu’ means ‘written Karpu’- with ‘Karanam’ ,everything is customized.

Tholkappiam also talks about this “iyer yaththa Karanam”.

Hence, ‘Ezhutha karpu’ never specify four Vedhas.

References :

1) Paripadal 9: 12 -26
2) The ordinance of Manu, II : 177-78
3) Arthasastra, IV:I:204
4) Oppian Mozhinool . Pavanar, Page 116
5) Tholkappiam – kalaviyal – 1038
6) Thirukkural -1090
7) Tholkappiam – Porul-4:36

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Slonopotam845 Join Date Jan 2006 Posts 5,251 Senior Member	þíÌ ¾ÃôÀðÎûÇ fsg «Å÷¸Ç¢ý Å¢Çì¸í¸û «Õ¨ÁÂ¡É¨Å. ±ôÀÊô À¡÷ò¾¡Öõ, ¦¾¡ø¸¡ôÀ¢Âô À¡Â¢Ãò¾¢ø ÅÕõ "¿¡ýÁ¨È" ±ýÈ ¦¾¡¼÷ ¬Ã¢Â ºÁÂ áø¸Ç¡É ¿¡ýÌ ±ñ½¢ì¨¸Â¢ø þô§À¡Ð ÅÄõÅÕ¸¢ýÈ "vedaas" ±ÉôÀÎõ áø¸¨Çì ÌÈ¢ì¸Å¢ø¨Ä ±ýÀÐÁðÎõ ¦¾Ç¢×. "Á¨È" ±ýÈ ¦º¡ø, ¦¾¡ø¸¡ôÀ¢Â áüÀ¡Å¢§Ä§Â þ¨º áø¸¨ÇÔõ ÌÈ¢ì¸ ÅÆí¸ôÀðÎûÇÐ ±ýÚ ¿¡ý Óý§À ±ÎòÐì¸¡ðÊÔû§Çý. ¬Ã¢Â ºÁÂ áø¸û ±øÄ¡õ ´§Ã ¸¡Äò¾¢ø ±Øó¾¨ÅÔõ «øÄ; ¦¾¡ø¸¡ôÀ¢Âõ ±Øó¾ ¸¡Äò¾¢ø «¨Å ¯Õô¦ÀüÚÅ¢¼×Á¢ø¨Ä. þÐ þÃñ¼¡ÅÐ ¸¡Ã½õ. þÄì¸½ áø À¡Î¸¢ÈÅ÷ ºÁÂ áø¸Ç¢ø ÒÄÅÃ¡Â¢Õó¾¡¦ÃýÀÐ À¡Î¸¢ÈÅÃ¢ý þÄì¸½ô ÒÄ¨ÁìÌî º¡ýÚÁ¡¸¡Ð. As you said 'Nanmarai' - Moolamarai' specified 'Isai (Music)' also. Second Chankam Tholkappiam & Third Chankam literatures ‘Paripadal’, ‘Kurunthokai’ & Thirukkural follow ‘Iynthiram’ which was ‘Naanmarai’(Moola marai) and this school of thought contains ‘Enniyal-Alavaiyiyal’(Theory of Reasoning & Logic), Oham-Udal (Medicine), & Ulakayitham ( Materialism). Prof. A. Chakravarthi Nayinar says this as “Pootha vatham” (Theory of Universe). Theory of Evolution, Thoery of Cause and Effect and Theory of Hadonism – all come under this school of thought. I may write about it in detail later. In Paripadal, “ Naanmarai Virithu nallisai Vilakkum Vaimozhi Pulavar Kenmin………….. ………………………………………. “Akaral ariya aniyizhai nallar Ikaralai kondu thunikkum thavarilarith Thallap Porul yiyalpin THAN (D)TAMIZHAI Vanthilar Kollari kuntru payan?” (1) Paripadal timeline is 300 BCE. Vaduku Poosaris (1000 ACE) Created wrong meaning based on Vedic traditions & wrote explanatory note as ‘Nanmarai’- Rig, Yasur, Sama, Atharvana Vedha, Vaimozhi – Unwritten. ‘Isai’(music) & ‘Maruththuvam’ (Medicine) were condemned by Vedhas. Vedhic Manusmirithi says, “ One must not eagerly desire wealth by music, no dance, no sing, nor play musical instruments” (2) ‘Aritha Sasthra’ also condemns Musicians. “Artisans, musicians, beggars, buffoons and other idlers who are thieves” (3) How Vedhas do explain ‘Nallisai’ (music)? ‘Chathur Vedhas’ are not specified here. Here we have to derive the meaning based on Tamil ‘Iynthiram’ traditions. Naanmarai- Moolamarai. Moola marai is ‘Iynthiram’. Vaimozhi’ means ‘Mei mozhi’(truth). In ‘Nallisai’ (music) history from time immemorial to till 1100 ACE ‘Tamil Panars’ only prevailed. Vedhicism condemned music. ‘Thevaram’ lines were made music by a lady from the generation of Thiru Nila kanda Yazhpanar.(4) The above poetry was written by ‘Kuntram Poothanar.’ His name itself specifies he is from ‘Poothavatham / Iynthiram’ traditions. He wanted to specify that Kathal / Kamam and its feelings are more enjoyable than the music. ‘Aniyizai nallar’- women. ‘Iynthiram Niraintha Tholkappian’ says, “Enbamum Porulum Aranum Entranku…” –The “Iynthiram” traditions.(5) The same is told by valluvar as, “Undarkan alla thadunara KAMAM pol Kandar Makizhseithal Entru” (6) Nothing is enjoyable than Kamam is this meaning. Tamils organized this natural behavior of men through “Akam”. Human naturality is to get ‘Enbam’ (pleasure). For that he needs porul (material). It should be got from Aram (morality/Virtue). The only language that put grammar for this Enbam as ‘akam’ is tamil in world. The same tradition was transformed by ‘Vathsayana’ who wrote ‘Kama Sastra’ (800 ACE). His mother tongue was tamil and he was belonging to Kanchipuram. In Kurunthokai which was written by Enathi Nedunkannanar also eulogize this tradition. “PARPANA MAKANEI ! Parpana Makanei ! ………………… Ezuthak karpin Nin chol Ullum Pirinthore Punarkkum Panbin Marunthum undoe mayalo ethuvae ! (7) Here the meaning of “Ezuthak Karpu” is wrongly meant & spelt by vaduku poosaris as ‘Unwritten Vedhas’ ! Whenever ‘Parpan’ found it is usual for vaduku poosaris to mean as Vedhas ! Here once again we have to derive the meaning based on “Iynthiram” traditions. The duty of Parpan is explained in Tholkappiam. “KAMA NILAI uraithalum, Ther nilai uraithalum, KIZHAVONE kurippinai Yeduththanar Mozhithalum, ………………………………….. Annavai Piravum Parparkku Uriya”(8) ‘Kamanilai uraithal’- means ‘The Hero & Heroine desire to mingle shall be communicated by ‘Parpan’ between the two. That is why Enathi Nedunkannanar calls ‘Parpan’ who is acting as main instrument in ‘Kalavu’(love) and ‘Karpu’(marriage). In ‘Kalavu’ the pain of separation can be wiped by medicine of mingling. It is great “mayal” (Unconscious pleasure). But in Karpu this situation won’t come since ‘mingling’ is ascertained. So, he questioned the ‘Parpan’ whether any medicine available in ‘Karpu’. Ezhuthak karpu- “Eeru ketta Ethirmarai Peyaraccham”- as per tamil grammar. For example, ‘Vilanka Nirkum’ means ‘Vilanki nirkum’-(stand as explained). In the same way ‘Ezhutha karpu’ means ‘written Karpu’- with ‘Karanam’ ,everything is customized. Tholkappiam also talks about this “iyer yaththa Karanam”. Hence, ‘Ezhutha karpu’ never specify four Vedhas. References : 1) Paripadal 9: 12 -26 2) The ordinance of Manu, II : 177-78 3) Arthasastra, IV:I:204 4) Oppian Mozhinool . Pavanar, Page 116 5) Tholkappiam – kalaviyal – 1038 6) Thirukkural -1090 7) Tholkappiam – Porul-4:36
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