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**Ifroham4** · 04-06-2007, 12:08 PM

Haven't you and your associates written these things many times before and been replied many times? Please refer to our old posts..in reply to your previous posts all over the shop!

“Muthia NAAL MARAI
Kozhunthu Mel padar tharak
Kolu Kombu Ayinan” - 253

Here, Naal – MARAI Kolunthu means ‘Hanging flower Marikozhunthu’. Blind Vedhic Protagonists may mean illogically & unmeaningfully even this as four Vedhas ! who knows !

Hence, Naan / Naal means ‘Moolam’ / origin / base. ‘NAAN MARAI’ means ‘Moola Marai’ and not four Vedhas.

Earlier in ‘Tamil is elder than Sanskrit’ Thread I have clearly stated verse by verse Tholkappiam ‘Marai’ does not mean Vedhas.

AnthaNar in old Tamil lit does not refer to Brahmins. See my old replies. I reproduce one for you:

PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 8:27 am Post subject: Reply with quote
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Nilakanta Sastri goes a step further and opines,
“There does not exist a single line of Tamil literature written before the Tamils came into contact with, and let us add accepted with genuine appreciation, the Indo-Aryan culture of North Indian origin.” Nilakanda can go 3 steps further and opine anything.

What evidence is there that an Indo-Aryan culture existed prior to the Southern/Tamiz culture?

You said that there is no Aryan-Dravidian divide; then how come you still talk thereafter of Indo-Aryan culture? If there is no Aryan Migration, why talk of Indo-Aryan? Who is Aryan? The "Arya Vedas" (vedas by the knowledgeables) were unwritten and still floating around in oral form after KuRaL had been composed!

THIRUVALLUVA MALAI, song by Velliveethiar,

"Cheyyamozhikum Thiruvalluvar Mozhintha
Poiya Mozhikum ...................................". Song 23, Thiruvalluva Malai. Sangam Lit refers to the floating body of mantras (later known as Vedas) as "ezuthaak kaRpu". The Vedas clearly were reduced to writing about 4 centuries after KuRaL. mainly because the mantras were more sound-based and writing could not convey the rhythm and tone and pronunciation - on which grounds the pujaris were opposing the reduction to writing. So the term Naan Marai in Tol cannot by any stretch of imagination refer to the unwritten, uncollected mantras which later became "vedas". No amount of bluffing by any scholar can convince.

Since now it is said that "Arya" is not a reference to any race or group of people, and it has also been protested that none by the nomenclature of Aryans came into the subcontinent, then much of the discussions connected with Aryan contribution to any learning and literature in any Indian language is really obsolete. The only connection between the Brahmin and the Vedas is that they chant the mantras from these books in the course of their daily work. Otherwise they have nothing to do with the body of literature!! From Vedavyasa to Nandanar, any son of man can be an Arya.

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Ifroham4 Join Date Apr 2007 Posts 5,196 Senior Member	Haven't you and your associates written these things many times before and been replied many times? Please refer to our old posts..in reply to your previous posts all over the shop! “Muthia NAAL MARAI Kozhunthu Mel padar tharak Kolu Kombu Ayinan” - 253 Here, Naal – MARAI Kolunthu means ‘Hanging flower Marikozhunthu’. Blind Vedhic Protagonists may mean illogically & unmeaningfully even this as four Vedhas ! who knows ! Hence, Naan / Naal means ‘Moolam’ / origin / base. ‘NAAN MARAI’ means ‘Moola Marai’ and not four Vedhas. Earlier in ‘Tamil is elder than Sanskrit’ Thread I have clearly stated verse by verse Tholkappiam ‘Marai’ does not mean Vedhas. AnthaNar in old Tamil lit does not refer to Brahmins. See my old replies. I reproduce one for you: PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 8:27 am Post subject: Reply with quote Quote: Nilakanta Sastri goes a step further and opines, “There does not exist a single line of Tamil literature written before the Tamils came into contact with, and let us add accepted with genuine appreciation, the Indo-Aryan culture of North Indian origin.” Nilakanda can go 3 steps further and opine anything. What evidence is there that an Indo-Aryan culture existed prior to the Southern/Tamiz culture? You said that there is no Aryan-Dravidian divide; then how come you still talk thereafter of Indo-Aryan culture? If there is no Aryan Migration, why talk of Indo-Aryan? Who is Aryan? The "Arya Vedas" (vedas by the knowledgeables) were unwritten and still floating around in oral form after KuRaL had been composed! THIRUVALLUVA MALAI, song by Velliveethiar, "Cheyyamozhikum Thiruvalluvar Mozhintha Poiya Mozhikum ...................................". Song 23, Thiruvalluva Malai. Sangam Lit refers to the floating body of mantras (later known as Vedas) as "ezuthaak kaRpu". The Vedas clearly were reduced to writing about 4 centuries after KuRaL. mainly because the mantras were more sound-based and writing could not convey the rhythm and tone and pronunciation - on which grounds the pujaris were opposing the reduction to writing. So the term Naan Marai in Tol cannot by any stretch of imagination refer to the unwritten, uncollected mantras which later became "vedas". No amount of bluffing by any scholar can convince. Since now it is said that "Arya" is not a reference to any race or group of people, and it has also been protested that none by the nomenclature of Aryans came into the subcontinent, then much of the discussions connected with Aryan contribution to any learning and literature in any Indian language is really obsolete. The only connection between the Brahmin and the Vedas is that they chant the mantras from these books in the course of their daily work. Otherwise they have nothing to do with the body of literature!! From Vedavyasa to Nandanar, any son of man can be an Arya.
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