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**Big A** · 08-03-2008, 05:06 AM

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.Vaikanasa & Pancharathra.!.. What.? Why.? How.?

Originally Posted by NOV
Originally Posted by NOV I dont understand what is pancaratra but there are dozens of perumal temples all over malaysia. but majority of them are thenkalai.

My guess is that most Perumal temples in Malaysia follow the vaikanasa tradition and not the Pancaratra tradition as :

a) the priests are likely to be from vaikanasa temples in India.
b) temple management adopting Tirupathi's standard of worship.
c) Tirupathi Devasthanam's active promotion of the Vaikanasa tradition, like through sponsorhip etc.

Vaikanasa and Pancaratra are 2 different texts on ritualistic worship. Vaikanasas are strictly hereditary and follow the vaikhanasa agama. Based on their text, they reject the panca samkara (5 sacraments), reverance to Alvars or acaryas like Ramanuja etc.

Vaikanasa vaisnava priests serve in most of the Vishnu temples in Tamil Nadu and Andhra Pradesh. The best example of a Vaikanasa Temple - Tirupathi, Venkateswara and the best example of a Pancaratra temple - Sri Rangam Ranganatha Temple.

The outward appearance of Vaikanasas and Srivaisnavas is the same. And due to the influence of Srivaisnavism, vaikanasas have adopted some Srivaisnava ideology including the Tenkalai - Vadakalai schism. Ah.! My Dear Friends.!… Thank you very much for so much of Rich information… about the spread of Sri-Vaishnavam outside the Holy Land of its Origin, India.

Well. Some of the points You have raised… I have to clarify

Pancharathra and Vaikanasa are the two sorts of Vaishnava Agama Sasthras stipulated for the conduct of the SriVaishnava Temples, Poojas, Homa- Rituals, Festivals and Administration.

Such Agama Sasthras have nothing to do with the aspect and concern of the DEVOTEES .

For example Vaikanasa system of Temples in India are Thirumala- Thirupathi, Sreeperumpudur, Srivilliputhur, Oppiliappan Temple near Kumbakonam.

Pancharathra system of Temple is Srirangam. (In fact converted from Vaikanasa by Ramanuja Acharya)

What is the difference between Pancharathra and Vaikanasa systems of Temple-Conduct.?

(1) In the conduct of Poojas there are two Sections… as Manthras and Thanthras.

Manthras are the recitations of the relevant Pooja- Manthras… suiting to the specific purpose and occasion.

Thanthras are Prayogas… similar to keeping our two Palms in worshipping posture while we pray at Temple or elsewhere

…Holding the Nose while performing Pranayamas..

…keeping the two Palms up and down holding the Poonool (Upaveedham / Janeyu) while wearing a new Poonool… and so on.

In the Vaikanasa system… the Thanthras are more than the Manthras… which are more important and Vital…

…while in Pancharathra system… the Manthras are more than the Thanthras.

(2) In Pancharathra system… according to the urgent needs and circumstances… the Poojas can be reduced, skipped off and confined to lesser time of performance…

…whereas in Vaikanasa system… under No circumstances and justification the conduct of Poojas can be restricted or any part skipped off.

(3) In Pancharathra system… the Poojas and Administration are conducted and managed by the Employees… who can be paid as Remuneration for their services….

..and the Prasadams of God are obligatory and not a matter of right for such Employees… since they are treated at par with all other common devotees.

..whereas in Vaikanasa system all the Archakas and such of those servants serving within the Garbhagruhas (Sanctum Sactorum) are the HONOURABLE SERVICEMEN …

..entitled for No Remuneration… but to be taken care of on their welfare… by the Devotees.

But the first share of Prasadams is mandatory as their right… in return for service to the Deity… since offered to them by God Himself.

The Cost-free residence for such Honourable Servicemen… proximate to the Temple is mandatory for Vaikanasa Archakas and Administrators…

..enabling them to conveniently concentrate on their duties at the Temple.

(4) Samasrayanam or the so called Pancha-Samskaras are the must for Pancharathra Vaidheeka servants…

…whereas there is No Conventional Samasrayanam for Vaikanasa Archaka Servicemen…

…since it is performed for them in a different process… even while the child is in Garbha-vasam.(Pregnancy stage).

Thengalai Temples are more than Vadakalai system… not only outside India…

..but also within India… amongst the 108 Divya-kshethras..

One of these Two sects has cropped up just within the past 400 years...

..after the Lifetimes of the Acharyas Ramanuja, Desika and Manavala maamuni.

Which one?... I leave it to your Guess.

Vadakalai Acharya Swami Desikacharyas preachings cover both the Thengalai and Vadakalai concepts of divergent faiths…

..but ultimately bound by the basic stipulations of the so called Sri “Ramanuja Darsanam”

..laid down by Sri Ramanujacharya…

…thus ensuring NO DIVISION amongst the Sri-Vaishnava devotees…

…under any yardstick of vivi-sections… amongst the BROAD-MINDED… Human approach of UNIVERSAL-LOVE …

…leading towards UNIFIED DEVOTION towards One God …

… for the Collective Social-Advancement coupled with SPIRITUAL EMANCIPATION.

[My Serial Article in Tamil… titled THAMIZH-MARHAI THIRUVAAYMOZHI… under our Hub Magazine… throws more light on Sri Vaishnavam... quoted herebelow

http://www.mayyam.com/unicode/cgi-bi...jul08/?t=11662. ]
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08-03-2008, 05:06 AM	#27
Big A Join Date Oct 2005 Age 50 Posts 4,148 Administrator	. .Vaikanasa & Pancharathra.!.. What.? Why.? How.? Originally Posted by NOV Originally Posted by NOV I dont understand what is pancaratra but there are dozens of perumal temples all over malaysia. but majority of them are thenkalai. My guess is that most Perumal temples in Malaysia follow the vaikanasa tradition and not the Pancaratra tradition as : a) the priests are likely to be from vaikanasa temples in India. b) temple management adopting Tirupathi's standard of worship. c) Tirupathi Devasthanam's active promotion of the Vaikanasa tradition, like through sponsorhip etc. Vaikanasa and Pancaratra are 2 different texts on ritualistic worship. Vaikanasas are strictly hereditary and follow the vaikhanasa agama. Based on their text, they reject the panca samkara (5 sacraments), reverance to Alvars or acaryas like Ramanuja etc. Vaikanasa vaisnava priests serve in most of the Vishnu temples in Tamil Nadu and Andhra Pradesh. The best example of a Vaikanasa Temple - Tirupathi, Venkateswara and the best example of a Pancaratra temple - Sri Rangam Ranganatha Temple. The outward appearance of Vaikanasas and Srivaisnavas is the same. And due to the influence of Srivaisnavism, vaikanasas have adopted some Srivaisnava ideology including the Tenkalai - Vadakalai schism. Ah.! My Dear Friends.!… Thank you very much for so much of Rich information… about the spread of Sri-Vaishnavam outside the Holy Land of its Origin, India. Well. Some of the points You have raised… I have to clarify Pancharathra and Vaikanasa are the two sorts of Vaishnava Agama Sasthras stipulated for the conduct of the SriVaishnava Temples, Poojas, Homa- Rituals, Festivals and Administration. Such Agama Sasthras have nothing to do with the aspect and concern of the DEVOTEES . For example Vaikanasa system of Temples in India are Thirumala- Thirupathi, Sreeperumpudur, Srivilliputhur, Oppiliappan Temple near Kumbakonam. Pancharathra system of Temple is Srirangam. (In fact converted from Vaikanasa by Ramanuja Acharya) What is the difference between Pancharathra and Vaikanasa systems of Temple-Conduct.? (1) In the conduct of Poojas there are two Sections… as Manthras and Thanthras. Manthras are the recitations of the relevant Pooja- Manthras… suiting to the specific purpose and occasion. Thanthras are Prayogas… similar to keeping our two Palms in worshipping posture while we pray at Temple or elsewhere …Holding the Nose while performing Pranayamas.. …keeping the two Palms up and down holding the Poonool (Upaveedham / Janeyu) while wearing a new Poonool… and so on. In the Vaikanasa system… the Thanthras are more than the Manthras… which are more important and Vital… …while in Pancharathra system… the Manthras are more than the Thanthras. (2) In Pancharathra system… according to the urgent needs and circumstances… the Poojas can be reduced, skipped off and confined to lesser time of performance… …whereas in Vaikanasa system… under No circumstances and justification the conduct of Poojas can be restricted or any part skipped off. (3) In Pancharathra system… the Poojas and Administration are conducted and managed by the Employees… who can be paid as Remuneration for their services…. ..and the Prasadams of God are obligatory and not a matter of right for such Employees… since they are treated at par with all other common devotees. ..whereas in Vaikanasa system all the Archakas and such of those servants serving within the Garbhagruhas (Sanctum Sactorum) are the HONOURABLE SERVICEMEN … ..entitled for No Remuneration… but to be taken care of on their welfare… by the Devotees. But the first share of Prasadams is mandatory as their right… in return for service to the Deity… since offered to them by God Himself. The Cost-free residence for such Honourable Servicemen… proximate to the Temple is mandatory for Vaikanasa Archakas and Administrators… ..enabling them to conveniently concentrate on their duties at the Temple. (4) Samasrayanam or the so called Pancha-Samskaras are the must for Pancharathra Vaidheeka servants… …whereas there is No Conventional Samasrayanam for Vaikanasa Archaka Servicemen… …since it is performed for them in a different process… even while the child is in Garbha-vasam.(Pregnancy stage). Thengalai Temples are more than Vadakalai system… not only outside India… ..but also within India… amongst the 108 Divya-kshethras.. One of these Two sects has cropped up just within the past 400 years... ..after the Lifetimes of the Acharyas Ramanuja, Desika and Manavala maamuni. Which one?... I leave it to your Guess. Vadakalai Acharya Swami Desikacharyas preachings cover both the Thengalai and Vadakalai concepts of divergent faiths… ..but ultimately bound by the basic stipulations of the so called Sri “Ramanuja Darsanam” ..laid down by Sri Ramanujacharya… …thus ensuring NO DIVISION amongst the Sri-Vaishnava devotees… …under any yardstick of vivi-sections… amongst the BROAD-MINDED… Human approach of UNIVERSAL-LOVE … …leading towards UNIFIED DEVOTION towards One God … … for the Collective Social-Advancement coupled with SPIRITUAL EMANCIPATION. [My Serial Article in Tamil… titled THAMIZH-MARHAI THIRUVAAYMOZHI… under our Hub Magazine… throws more light on Sri Vaishnavam... quoted herebelow http://www.mayyam.com/unicode/cgi-bi...jul08/?t=11662. ] .
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