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**Oriesssedleli419** · 07-11-2012, 04:12 AM

The entire hierarchy should be gone. in christianity there aren't levels of hierarchy, we can learn from eachother of course, and some may know mroe then others, but in the end christianity is the faith of an individual. It's between 1 human and God.
Where there's hierarchy there's corruption and power and politics. "Let us not give up the habit of meeting with one another."

We need each other, Robert. Nobody can pull the cart alone, and if you're going to try - it's just going to destroy you. Christianity is not designed to work as individuals, we are the Body of Christ. We need each other.

As for the heirarchy - Timothy is pretty clear that there exists a heirarchy of episcopai, (bishops), presbyteroi, (priests) and deacons. The threefold structure is biblical.

All of them So you'd throw out the Nicaean Creed? The Athanasian Creed?

Nothing, I didn't say such a thing. Then why not keep the old?

Times are changing and so are cultures. If the culture is not getting better, what is the imperative to change?

Christianity is too often thought to be a moral answer on any whickd culture, but it is not. Well, I'm a bit disappointed. You were a Christian, once, Robert. I remember. We used to write back and forth on these matters.

Do you think that Paul thought slavery was good? No, he said that God had meant all to be equal, men and women, rich and poor, slaves and masters. Yet when a slave came to his door he send him back. And he asked women to accept the rule of their husbands. Not b/c he approved slavery or sexism. No, only b/c christianity isn't about having a moral judgement on any culture, but about spreading the gospel. If Paul would have liberated the slaves and the women, the gospel would have been lost for the men and the slavemasters. Exactly. Which is why the Church should continue to teach that homosexuality is sinful. The Church never capitulated and taught that slavery was good, just because that is what the cultures of those times believed. Neither should the Church capitulate on their fundamental teachings just because of what society in general believes.

But in the end I'm glad to live in this day and this culture. Sure, for now. This world is only temporary, Robert. If you live for this world, you'll die with it as well.

I think that's a good thing. Better than Christ?

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Oriesssedleli419 Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 484 Senior Member	The entire hierarchy should be gone. in christianity there aren't levels of hierarchy, we can learn from eachother of course, and some may know mroe then others, but in the end christianity is the faith of an individual. It's between 1 human and God. Where there's hierarchy there's corruption and power and politics. "Let us not give up the habit of meeting with one another." We need each other, Robert. Nobody can pull the cart alone, and if you're going to try - it's just going to destroy you. Christianity is not designed to work as individuals, we are the Body of Christ. We need each other. As for the heirarchy - Timothy is pretty clear that there exists a heirarchy of episcopai, (bishops), presbyteroi, (priests) and deacons. The threefold structure is biblical. All of them So you'd throw out the Nicaean Creed? The Athanasian Creed? Nothing, I didn't say such a thing. Then why not keep the old? Times are changing and so are cultures. If the culture is not getting better, what is the imperative to change? Christianity is too often thought to be a moral answer on any whickd culture, but it is not. Well, I'm a bit disappointed. You were a Christian, once, Robert. I remember. We used to write back and forth on these matters. Do you think that Paul thought slavery was good? No, he said that God had meant all to be equal, men and women, rich and poor, slaves and masters. Yet when a slave came to his door he send him back. And he asked women to accept the rule of their husbands. Not b/c he approved slavery or sexism. No, only b/c christianity isn't about having a moral judgement on any culture, but about spreading the gospel. If Paul would have liberated the slaves and the women, the gospel would have been lost for the men and the slavemasters. Exactly. Which is why the Church should continue to teach that homosexuality is sinful. The Church never capitulated and taught that slavery was good, just because that is what the cultures of those times believed. Neither should the Church capitulate on their fundamental teachings just because of what society in general believes. But in the end I'm glad to live in this day and this culture. Sure, for now. This world is only temporary, Robert. If you live for this world, you'll die with it as well. I think that's a good thing. Better than Christ?
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