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**MannoFr** · 04-12-2006, 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by ssanjinika In my opinion Patriotism is
Not bringing down another country but bringing your country up.
In other words its not raising slogans against Pakistan
but
its not spitting on the roads,
its not throwing a banana peel on the road,
its paying taxes,
its not bribing the traffic constable when you ran a red light,
its standing in attention when Jana Gana Mana is played,
its not fighting for some obscure peice of land in Hoganikkal.
Its all these small small things.

very true. but sometimes it's really hard to do the small things like these. for eg, it is almost standard procedure to give bribes in certain offices. they even have a certain fixed rate for work to be done in a certain time. it's like tailors who have normal service, express service and urgent service for stitching the same blouse. but with tailors, it is their official fee, with these officers, they make it as close to official sth that is illegal can be. so how do you expect that pple can go around this? Dont relate patriotism with standing up for a song that we dont understand or to the law. Do you expect everyone to learn "national anthem language", in addition to the so called "national language", not to mention the "international language" and the local language along with their mother tongue. come on .. be practical.

As for the law, it changes with the government. I dont support bribing, but I cant call that as non patriotic, when we have to bribe. The same, if done by the government is called "service fee" or "convenience charge" and the like.. This is not specific to India, for instance, to get the US visa you pay $3000, wait for upto 90 days. But you can get it in 2 weeks if you pay a $1000 more. What do you call this?

I do have a lot of friends who are cops (both in US and India). In India, they get a bicycle, roam all day around in the hot sun, take directions from good for nothing / uneducated politicians all this for a meagre INR 3000 - 5000, which is half the money to lead a 'normal' life in India. The cops in US, get cars to roam around, have the latest arms and equipments, do not care who you are - they make a minimum of around $3500 - twice the money you need to live luxuriously in the US. Dont say India is a poor country. The Indian cops are definitely pathetic and it becomes worse when they get married. I have seen cops beg for a cup of tea / a cigarette.

There is absolutely no need to overdo our jobs. If we just do our jobs, it is patriotism. We can see all the expected results just by this. Be sincere in whatever you do. Try to understand people like the cops. Have you ever bought, at the least, one cup of tea to a cop standing under the sun for the whole day? Doing things like these show patriotism.

04-12-2006, 10:30 AM	#20
MannoFr Join Date Mar 2007 Posts 4,451 Senior Member	Originally Posted by ssanjinika In my opinion Patriotism is Not bringing down another country but bringing your country up. In other words its not raising slogans against Pakistan but its not spitting on the roads, its not throwing a banana peel on the road, its paying taxes, its not bribing the traffic constable when you ran a red light, its standing in attention when Jana Gana Mana is played, its not fighting for some obscure peice of land in Hoganikkal. Its all these small small things. very true. but sometimes it's really hard to do the small things like these. for eg, it is almost standard procedure to give bribes in certain offices. they even have a certain fixed rate for work to be done in a certain time. it's like tailors who have normal service, express service and urgent service for stitching the same blouse. but with tailors, it is their official fee, with these officers, they make it as close to official sth that is illegal can be. so how do you expect that pple can go around this? Dont relate patriotism with standing up for a song that we dont understand or to the law. Do you expect everyone to learn "national anthem language", in addition to the so called "national language", not to mention the "international language" and the local language along with their mother tongue. come on .. be practical. As for the law, it changes with the government. I dont support bribing, but I cant call that as non patriotic, when we have to bribe. The same, if done by the government is called "service fee" or "convenience charge" and the like.. This is not specific to India, for instance, to get the US visa you pay $3000, wait for upto 90 days. But you can get it in 2 weeks if you pay a $1000 more. What do you call this? I do have a lot of friends who are cops (both in US and India). In India, they get a bicycle, roam all day around in the hot sun, take directions from good for nothing / uneducated politicians all this for a meagre INR 3000 - 5000, which is half the money to lead a 'normal' life in India. The cops in US, get cars to roam around, have the latest arms and equipments, do not care who you are - they make a minimum of around $3500 - twice the money you need to live luxuriously in the US. Dont say India is a poor country. The Indian cops are definitely pathetic and it becomes worse when they get married. I have seen cops beg for a cup of tea / a cigarette. There is absolutely no need to overdo our jobs. If we just do our jobs, it is patriotism. We can see all the expected results just by this. Be sincere in whatever you do. Try to understand people like the cops. Have you ever bought, at the least, one cup of tea to a cop standing under the sun for the whole day? Doing things like these show patriotism.
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