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**LottiFurmann** · 07-17-2006, 08:00 AM

For more details on pot and clay read atma bodha sloka no 48.

Atma-Eva-Edam Jagat Sarvam
Atmano Annyat Na Vidyate
Mrdo Yad-Vad-Ghatadini
Svatmanam Sarva-Miksate

Now back to the debate

Sankara: There is absolutely no proof that a pot is in its essence different from God. If you eliminate its name and form which are everywhere the results of nescience, there is no reason to say that it retains any characteristic distinguishing it from God. It is this covering material, nescience of avidya, that gives rise to a perception of distinctness in a pot just as in other objects also. Remove this covering, and all are God. Your illustration therefore falling to the ground, your general proposition and its particular application to the Self go with it.

Mandana: But what do you say to the teaching of the Sruti itself that these are two birds sitting on the same tree, one tasting the fruits of karma and the other sitting quiet. Does it not mean that the individual Self and God are two distinct entities?

07-17-2006, 08:00 AM	#39
LottiFurmann Join Date Jan 2008 Posts 4,494 Senior Member	For more details on pot and clay read atma bodha sloka no 48. Atma-Eva-Edam Jagat Sarvam Atmano Annyat Na Vidyate Mrdo Yad-Vad-Ghatadini Svatmanam Sarva-Miksate Now back to the debate Sankara: There is absolutely no proof that a pot is in its essence different from God. If you eliminate its name and form which are everywhere the results of nescience, there is no reason to say that it retains any characteristic distinguishing it from God. It is this covering material, nescience of avidya, that gives rise to a perception of distinctness in a pot just as in other objects also. Remove this covering, and all are God. Your illustration therefore falling to the ground, your general proposition and its particular application to the Self go with it. Mandana: But what do you say to the teaching of the Sruti itself that these are two birds sitting on the same tree, one tasting the fruits of karma and the other sitting quiet. Does it not mean that the individual Self and God are two distinct entities?
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