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**PhillipHer** · 07-06-2012, 08:11 AM

He cannot gain fruition, due to the fact that he is a bodhisatta. gaining fruition will deter him from perfecting the paramis. 2ndly you really do research on this, somehow i do not know how, whenever he reborn in devas or brahma realm, he will recall and remember his bodhisatta vow and will pass away immediately to be reborn in human realm (at times after human realm to animals). 2ndly, sotappana will never be reborn to lower realm below human according to this tradition. so that assumption = 100 percent wrong.

I don't believe in the perfection of the paramis. Neither do I believe in the Jataka tales. Much less do I believe in the mysterious bodhisatta vow. They are all ridiculous beliefs that should be discarded.

even if that might be the case, but that might be just 1 of the fetters down. due to the vow it might deters him from through the rest of the 2 other fetters. like - he might still hold on to the view of self, and rituals.

You can't have one fetter down without the other two also down. That is impossible.

he is easily disenchanted with the teachings of Alara Kalama and Uddaka Ramaputta due to his training over the aeon in perfecting the paramis. this condition resulting to the fact that he will surely be enlightened.

Why do you believe in the perfection of the paramis over multiple aeons? Isn't that a fairy tale just like the Bible story of genesis?

07-06-2012, 08:11 AM	#19
PhillipHer Join Date Jun 2008 Age 58 Posts 4,481 Senior Member	He cannot gain fruition, due to the fact that he is a bodhisatta. gaining fruition will deter him from perfecting the paramis. 2ndly you really do research on this, somehow i do not know how, whenever he reborn in devas or brahma realm, he will recall and remember his bodhisatta vow and will pass away immediately to be reborn in human realm (at times after human realm to animals). 2ndly, sotappana will never be reborn to lower realm below human according to this tradition. so that assumption = 100 percent wrong. I don't believe in the perfection of the paramis. Neither do I believe in the Jataka tales. Much less do I believe in the mysterious bodhisatta vow. They are all ridiculous beliefs that should be discarded. even if that might be the case, but that might be just 1 of the fetters down. due to the vow it might deters him from through the rest of the 2 other fetters. like - he might still hold on to the view of self, and rituals. You can't have one fetter down without the other two also down. That is impossible. he is easily disenchanted with the teachings of Alara Kalama and Uddaka Ramaputta due to his training over the aeon in perfecting the paramis. this condition resulting to the fact that he will surely be enlightened. Why do you believe in the perfection of the paramis over multiple aeons? Isn't that a fairy tale just like the Bible story of genesis?
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