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**PhillipHer** · 07-07-2012, 12:00 PM

I don't believe in the perfection of the paramis. Neither do I believe in the Jataka tales. Much less do I believe in the mysterious bodhisatta vow. They are all ridiculous beliefs that should be discarded.

You can't have one fetter down without the other two also down. That is impossible.

Why do you believe in the perfection of the paramis over multiple aeons? Isn't that a fairy tale just like the Bible story of genesis?

first and foremost, i am debating using what is taught under buddhism this philosophy. if you wish to create and add in your own deviation that is your own issue, for the matter of fact my interpretation or belief does not even matter.

firstly: your belief that there is no need in perfecting paramis is unfounded in any of the tradition, be it mahayana or theravada. this is the very difference why some are private buddha, some are teaching, some are the greater disciples like sariputta and some or just the "normal" one. What you think, and what i think or for the matter does not matter. this is what this tradition teaches and i am arguing based on that. believe it or not, bodhisatta vows this incident is indeed mention in the pali canon. one has to make this vow in front of a sammasambuddha in order to begin the training. again, this is what this philosophy originally taught from what i learn in school, if you wish to create another interpretation, do it in another name and don't add the word buddhism to it.

who say you can only have 1 fetter down and not the other 2. according to your experience? 2ndly facts remain, all traditions maintain the view he cannot attain fruition when i was studying this under YMBA. your interpretation does not matter

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PhillipHer Join Date Jun 2008 Age 58 Posts 4,481 Senior Member	I don't believe in the perfection of the paramis. Neither do I believe in the Jataka tales. Much less do I believe in the mysterious bodhisatta vow. They are all ridiculous beliefs that should be discarded. You can't have one fetter down without the other two also down. That is impossible. Why do you believe in the perfection of the paramis over multiple aeons? Isn't that a fairy tale just like the Bible story of genesis? first and foremost, i am debating using what is taught under buddhism this philosophy. if you wish to create and add in your own deviation that is your own issue, for the matter of fact my interpretation or belief does not even matter. firstly: your belief that there is no need in perfecting paramis is unfounded in any of the tradition, be it mahayana or theravada. this is the very difference why some are private buddha, some are teaching, some are the greater disciples like sariputta and some or just the "normal" one. What you think, and what i think or for the matter does not matter. this is what this tradition teaches and i am arguing based on that. believe it or not, bodhisatta vows this incident is indeed mention in the pali canon. one has to make this vow in front of a sammasambuddha in order to begin the training. again, this is what this philosophy originally taught from what i learn in school, if you wish to create another interpretation, do it in another name and don't add the word buddhism to it. who say you can only have 1 fetter down and not the other 2. according to your experience? 2ndly facts remain, all traditions maintain the view he cannot attain fruition when i was studying this under YMBA. your interpretation does not matter
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