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**doctorzlo** · 07-08-2012, 01:19 AM

who say you can only have 1 fetter down and not the other 2.

Did you ever study the Pali Canon? OK, I'll just quote it for you from MN 2.

"He attends appropriately, This is stress... This is the origination of stress... This is the cessation of stress... This is the way leading to the cessation of stress. As he attends appropriately in this way, three fetters are abandoned in him: identity-view, doubt, and grasping at precepts & practices. These are called the fermentations to be abandoned by seeing.

Suppressing a fetter and abandoning a fetter are two different beasts. You can only abandon or "go beyond" the fetter of doubt & uncertainty at the point of stream-entry.

07-08-2012, 01:19 AM	#27
doctorzlo Join Date Jun 2006 Posts 4,488 Senior Member	who say you can only have 1 fetter down and not the other 2. Did you ever study the Pali Canon? OK, I'll just quote it for you from MN 2. "He attends appropriately, This is stress... This is the origination of stress... This is the cessation of stress... This is the way leading to the cessation of stress. As he attends appropriately in this way, three fetters are abandoned in him: identity-view, doubt, and grasping at precepts & practices. These are called the fermentations to be abandoned by seeing. Suppressing a fetter and abandoning a fetter are two different beasts. You can only abandon or "go beyond" the fetter of doubt & uncertainty at the point of stream-entry.
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