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Part II-Then after chc, I went on to another church that my son goes to for fellowship. This time I got really close to the pastors because they seem really caring for the youth. Although the problem now is not money but time. My son spent all weekdays in church and all weekends in church. The name is Heart of god church. But I have not known the couple pastor Seow How and Pastor Cecilia Chan running HOGC are so close to chc pastor kong hee and pastor sun ho that one day even the same building fund message from chc gets repeated in hogc. Exactly the same give until you cry message. When I heard it eventually I really cry. Chc is everywhere now.

Things were fine until the sun ho cd album saga again. Heart of god church sent their trusted youths (they only have youths anyway which are so innocent) out to the music stores to buy up all the CDs in the local music stores to boost rankings. We have hundreds and hundreds of Sun Ho CDs in hogc church. Every single member was given one CD each. If your family of 4, father, mother and 2 children, you get 4 CDs. I really don't know what this is for. All I know after we gave away hundreds of CDs, we still have hundreds left in church. That was then I knew chc power in ensuring even “sister” church members are not spared of crossover project. And the pastor Seow How and pastor Cecilia chan, like two obedient followers building their mini church who themselves are still struggling, sent their young people to buy up hundreds and hundreds of cd in the name to help chc crossover project. To push sun ho CD to top ranking so those from "another world" get to know who sun ho is and hopefully in turn can hear the gospel. Because of my giving to church, I was separately given a lot of sun ho CD to give away personally, the pastors see this as a love gifts. I took them on obligation and all still sitting in my house in box with price tags of different music stores... I don't even know how to tell others or give away. Listen and be saved?*censored*

But I am thankful that at least heart of god church pastors didn’t and couldn’t force us to buy sun ho cd. They, pastor seow how and pastor cecilia chan, in return are the one buying up using hogc funds definitely, so that in their heart they know they too have helped the crossover project. We did it again and again everytime sun ho album is released. Until I really believe there is no way we can avoid the powerhouse chc pressing on obedient young affiliated churches to buy and buy and buy. All the different price tags on the CDs are like badges to show why Sun Ho ranking can topped. I am 100% confident it is the act of man that her music topped all music charts. The pushing of CD album sales is full scale project and it was massive sales pitch with big agenda. Until now whenever I talked about the effort on ensuring Sun Ho CDs and music charts are topped make my hair stand! It was like the church is going out for war and the man is chanting!

I reckon the hogc pastors are doing good stuff for the youths. But they still need money since the church is young, so I really don’t understand why throw the money into buying cd? If crossover is chc project why hogc also need to give and give until you cry and blood shed. The pastors shared the same sermons like kong hee. Pastor Cecilia Chan also preached the same to give and give until your heart ache in her building fund message. Exactly the same... It's most unfortunate that she has contacted cancer now.

The thing that really woke me up for I am a stupid, slow and really slow and stupid believer, totally *censored**censored**censored**censored* in Is where pastor Seow How said he owns a Chinese temple left by his late dad. As a pastor you must lead and guide in the right way. How could you still publicly said you are the one and probably the only one in the world who has both a chinese medium temple and a christian church. It is not funny at all, pastor Seow How! You are not a kid. Don’t make a fool of yourself and bring the youth into wrong believing. When he preached about this, he proudly declare the property of the temple is so worthy. It's near orchard road and look how he is blessed... What fool he is. As a pastor and leader, you should cut off this sin from your fore fathers and not continue this sin. Yet you take it on and proudly declare you are now the owner of a temple AND a church. Do you not know your duty. God will provide for his people. You took the temple because the land is worth some money, some good money. But I really don't get it how you can missed this point that you are a pastor. Not a property agent.

The last of it all was when I see youths and young people from heart*censored*of god church giving beyond their ability and giving beyond their means, and having to borrow money to fulfil their commitment to the building fund, in the name of GIVING. Already time is taken away from these young people's family, they are always spending time in church, Monday to Sunday. Now money is next. Pastor Seow How always taken the route to preach about giving and more giving. It's either to Give Time, work in church for free, cleaning, sound, video, serving, EVERYTHING! Then with those who cannot give time, it's money - The same type of message chc shares. I see people in hogc publicly declaring they are giving $100k , $1m, in hogc especially during building fund season. Its a line up of stories after stories with powerpoints and charts! It’s a standard now. And if you can give, it means you have been blessed to receive, because imagine if you gave $1m, that means you will have received $10m. Wow! Now everyone wants to give $1m so that they can have $10m. Simple maths, it's 10%!

But in the real world. I see the kids struggling to give. Some borrowed to give. Some don’t give their parents. Some dont even have basic savings for themselves for rainy days. Their financial is so terrible that the only body benefitting is clearly the church and the men of church. Many do not give to their family because they now have the second family - our home Heart of God Church. Their new parents are pastor Seow How and pastor Cecilia Chan.*censored*

I know because I have lost my son to them. Whatever I said is nothing compared to the darling Pastor Lia @Lia_Chan and Pastor How *censored*@Seowhow. They are family. Our home is now as good as hotel. My son comes home to sleep, dinner is never possible now. Weekends are hogc only. The closest family is Lia and How.*censored*

For years I fight so hard and I pray and ask God why have I failed as parent? I provide the best education and provided roof food and cloth my son and we have a very good family relationship until he attended this church and given all his time, and now his money. I go to hogc listening to Pastor How and Lia to know what he is up to. Breaking up family and taking away kids at their tender age where they are all trying to understand the world and when they are innocent while searching for an answer for everything. Pastor How and Lia mesmerize with their love and care and gives them a goal to achieve when they have no goal. I clearly lost the battle for the children all want the attention of How and Lia. They are one big family where the mother and father at home are nothing but nagging old folks.*censored*

If you listen to Pastor How story of his family, his father beating his mom, his father's objection to his work. You will know it's a brainwashing message to get the youths, the children to rebel against the family. This story is told again and again and even made it to the basic training material for ALL newcomer new member of hogc. It stir up a rebel in the children to go against the family. Listen if you can get it, and you will know what I mean.*censored*

There is no different from chc and hogc. Hogc is the next of chc. Chc can go down but there will be another chc that will come up. The same type. The same breed. It never stop here. It will continue to grow with roots deeper than earth...