[Paul Bunyan]

No offence to anybody from the discussion and i do not mean any ill intent, i just wished we can discard all these religions, monotheistic or otherwise and stop all the killing and suffering in the name of the very entity who everyone doing the killing seems to pray to and kill in his name.

There was once a very intelligent argument brought to me by a gentleman i used to respect who later turned out to be so hypocritical that his and the subsequent actions by the churchmates and the other cellgroups showed me how this religion is manipulated by man.

His argument was, if his idea is wrong about God and there is reincarnation, at most he comes back as a cockroach but if others are wrong, they all go to hell.

What happens to pre-Jesus non Jews? All go to hell? My take on this now, many years later is. If reincarnation is true, if i am reincarnated, so be it, i still can come back as something and get a fair chance but if his is not true, he won't even be coming back to apologise.

Speaking of cockroaches, since they are created by God too, do they have souls? If they do, where do they go after they die? Cockroach heaven?

Hell and heaven exists as man made concepts and written even before many of these holy books, in the end the same religions that talk about peace are killing much more than those they are saving. Why must brother be at brothers throats just because they believe something else. Would you kill your own son just because he changes his surname or as a toddler, mistakenly calls someone else dad? Worthy sin for death?

I disliked confucius thinking as it ruined Chinese culture and in a way, brought about its subsequent downfall in the many dynasties that followed in the past but his theory was that men were born good just that everyone has different encounters and experiences and grow up differently with varying values. He taught love.

The holy books on the other hand teaches that man are inherently evil and great sinners and taught division and who is against us and who are the infidels.

It brings about a vicious cycle where man fight man in the name of religion and never can extricate himself as long as he keeps believing in the written word. Blind faith, man. Just like those guys i saw in Scientology who still believed in this religion started by a sci-fi writer, Ron Hubbard.

Remember again, all these books were inspired, written, translated by MAN and in the end interpreted by the MAN on the pulpit/stand.