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**Lillie_Steins** · 12-01-2007, 09:32 PM

It is often with terrorists in history that interlectual middle class youth takes up the cause of the oppressed. At least they see it this way. The 9/11 hijackers where not very related to Israel anyway.

They were not related to Israel, but Al Qaeda has used "Palestine" as one of their causes. Most Arabs are not related or affected in any way by Israel but still fight against it in one way or another.

I do not quite agree with the bold words but I do admit that the Palestinians where always used and betrayed by their Arab "friends". Only recently Hamaz got to know what Arab solidarity means. Does "Arab solidarity" include killing 30 of their own people in a month? I'm sorry but "Arab solidarity" is nothing but a myth.

They beleived their own propaganda and thought Arab sympathizers would replace the payments from the west. Well this was wrong. They only gathered a few million and didn't even manage to get it into Palestina. Most of the Arab leaders only stand by the Palestinians when it serves their own purposes. Thats where I agree. Some believed the propaganda, others just wanted to be in power, some wanted to get rich like Arafat, who stole billions from the Palestinians.

Hmm... They would have a reason. But I also think that their are some differences to the conflict in Palestina. They would have a reason but they would not be justified in killing innocents. And of course there are differences, Jews did not declare war on Germany but Germany declared war on the Jews. And the Jews have not declared war on the Palestinians, quite the opposite.

1. WWII is over but the settlements in Palestina are still going on.
2. As far as I know surviving Jews got everything back that money can pay. Unfortunately most of the things that where lost cannot be brought back though. 1.If Jews decided they wanted to live in DP camps and fight the Germans till the end of days they would be in the same situation as the Palestinians.

2. Not even close. Even today, over 60 years later, there are lawsuits over famous paintings stolen by the Germans. My grandmother returned after the war to find horrible people living in her house. Nobody got back what they lost, not their family nor their belongings. Some Holocaust survivors are living below poverty levels, not everybody receives reparations.

But back to Palestina - Still I just wouldn't know if I was a Palestinian what to do to save my country. What option do they have? They already turned down a country so many times! And the terrorist options haven't brought them anything, has it? As I said, even if they form a state, it will be much smaller than they were originally offered. They have already lost and continue to make it worse on themselves.

I think Israel Pioneers themselves used terrorism to fight the British. True, Israeli pioneers killed maybe 100 British 60 years ago. Arabs were committing crimes against the Israeli pionners and the British were siding with the Arabs.

Yes, and still there's no peace in sight. Both sides have no majority in their population for an accaptable peace. Majority of the Israeli population wants to give up the settlements, that's a fact. THe ones that don't are just afraid of qassams launching into their living rooms. Please, the moral equivalency thing is not realistic.

12-01-2007, 09:32 PM	#7
Lillie_Steins Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 4,508 Senior Member	It is often with terrorists in history that interlectual middle class youth takes up the cause of the oppressed. At least they see it this way. The 9/11 hijackers where not very related to Israel anyway. They were not related to Israel, but Al Qaeda has used "Palestine" as one of their causes. Most Arabs are not related or affected in any way by Israel but still fight against it in one way or another. I do not quite agree with the bold words but I do admit that the Palestinians where always used and betrayed by their Arab "friends". Only recently Hamaz got to know what Arab solidarity means. Does "Arab solidarity" include killing 30 of their own people in a month? I'm sorry but "Arab solidarity" is nothing but a myth. They beleived their own propaganda and thought Arab sympathizers would replace the payments from the west. Well this was wrong. They only gathered a few million and didn't even manage to get it into Palestina. Most of the Arab leaders only stand by the Palestinians when it serves their own purposes. Thats where I agree. Some believed the propaganda, others just wanted to be in power, some wanted to get rich like Arafat, who stole billions from the Palestinians. Hmm... They would have a reason. But I also think that their are some differences to the conflict in Palestina. They would have a reason but they would not be justified in killing innocents. And of course there are differences, Jews did not declare war on Germany but Germany declared war on the Jews. And the Jews have not declared war on the Palestinians, quite the opposite. 1. WWII is over but the settlements in Palestina are still going on. 2. As far as I know surviving Jews got everything back that money can pay. Unfortunately most of the things that where lost cannot be brought back though. 1.If Jews decided they wanted to live in DP camps and fight the Germans till the end of days they would be in the same situation as the Palestinians. 2. Not even close. Even today, over 60 years later, there are lawsuits over famous paintings stolen by the Germans. My grandmother returned after the war to find horrible people living in her house. Nobody got back what they lost, not their family nor their belongings. Some Holocaust survivors are living below poverty levels, not everybody receives reparations. But back to Palestina - Still I just wouldn't know if I was a Palestinian what to do to save my country. What option do they have? They already turned down a country so many times! And the terrorist options haven't brought them anything, has it? As I said, even if they form a state, it will be much smaller than they were originally offered. They have already lost and continue to make it worse on themselves. I think Israel Pioneers themselves used terrorism to fight the British. True, Israeli pioneers killed maybe 100 British 60 years ago. Arabs were committing crimes against the Israeli pionners and the British were siding with the Arabs. Yes, and still there's no peace in sight. Both sides have no majority in their population for an accaptable peace. Majority of the Israeli population wants to give up the settlements, that's a fact. THe ones that don't are just afraid of qassams launching into their living rooms. Please, the moral equivalency thing is not realistic.
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