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**LottiFurmann** · 09-20-2006, 07:00 AM

You have neer been able to define or put some shape around what you think democracy could or should look like there. There are tons of variations in the world and seemingly the Eurowest things that waving a wand in the air much the same as they did to form Iraq 80 years ago is sufficient.

And, let's imagine a time when there is some kind of clanky democratic process that low and behold isn't of the same old Arab strongman one vote one time go home model and still - because life is cheap - there are regular bombings and the one thing that no one will admit is that internal tribal/ethnic/criminal frictions low intensity civil war is really the steady state destiny of any arab country - then is that bad or good, better or worse.

That is, is the Eurocrying for 'democracy' really just a cover for a demand for quiet no matter how repressive or oiligarchic. I think it is. I think the Euro position is one of not really caring all that much what kind of government or rule exists there as long as the Yanks are gone and WOGS aren't shooting at the white people.

We all have our historic models and symbols to rely on. Yours are pure colonialist - ours are more globalist in nature.

09-20-2006, 07:00 AM	#3
LottiFurmann Join Date Jan 2008 Posts 4,494 Senior Member	You have neer been able to define or put some shape around what you think democracy could or should look like there. There are tons of variations in the world and seemingly the Eurowest things that waving a wand in the air much the same as they did to form Iraq 80 years ago is sufficient. And, let's imagine a time when there is some kind of clanky democratic process that low and behold isn't of the same old Arab strongman one vote one time go home model and still - because life is cheap - there are regular bombings and the one thing that no one will admit is that internal tribal/ethnic/criminal frictions low intensity civil war is really the steady state destiny of any arab country - then is that bad or good, better or worse. That is, is the Eurocrying for 'democracy' really just a cover for a demand for quiet no matter how repressive or oiligarchic. I think it is. I think the Euro position is one of not really caring all that much what kind of government or rule exists there as long as the Yanks are gone and WOGS aren't shooting at the white people. We all have our historic models and symbols to rely on. Yours are pure colonialist - ours are more globalist in nature.
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