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**Raj_Copi_Jin** · 07-27-2007, 03:23 PM

"If we follow your strategy of eternal war with all Muslims, we will end up like the crusaders."

Eternal war? No such thing. War sufficient to discredit their "Allah" is a different matter.
There are many religions which had massive followings and now are historic curiosities. There is no need to fight all members of a group. Destabilization, select wars, and a global policy designed to use alliances and economics to undermine the opponent are all options.
The idea of "eternal war" is a grossly simplistic strawman. However, the West should reject Islam itself and educate the people to make the spread of Islam as difficult as possible. For that we need indoctrination. ALL religion is indoctrination, all ideologies require indoctrination to spread, so it is rational to indoctrinate.

"The numbers will eventually catch up with us."

Only if we were stupid enough to fight like Crusaders. Do not presume perpetual growth of Islam any more than you would have presumed perpetual growth of Communism.

"War sufficient to discredit their Allah"? Do you think if we defeat them enough that Islam will become an "historic curiosity"? If so, I disagree. I don't think Islam is a temporary phenomenon like communism.

So, when I say it would be an eternal war, that is not a strawman, but is based on my assessment that Islam isn't going to disappear.

Please remember, it was the hardliners like Reynaud de Chatillon that brought down the Crusaders.

07-27-2007, 03:23 PM	#5
Raj_Copi_Jin Join Date Oct 2005 Age 48 Posts 4,533 Senior Member	"If we follow your strategy of eternal war with all Muslims, we will end up like the crusaders." Eternal war? No such thing. War sufficient to discredit their "Allah" is a different matter. There are many religions which had massive followings and now are historic curiosities. There is no need to fight all members of a group. Destabilization, select wars, and a global policy designed to use alliances and economics to undermine the opponent are all options. The idea of "eternal war" is a grossly simplistic strawman. However, the West should reject Islam itself and educate the people to make the spread of Islam as difficult as possible. For that we need indoctrination. ALL religion is indoctrination, all ideologies require indoctrination to spread, so it is rational to indoctrinate. "The numbers will eventually catch up with us." Only if we were stupid enough to fight like Crusaders. Do not presume perpetual growth of Islam any more than you would have presumed perpetual growth of Communism. "War sufficient to discredit their Allah"? Do you think if we defeat them enough that Islam will become an "historic curiosity"? If so, I disagree. I don't think Islam is a temporary phenomenon like communism. So, when I say it would be an eternal war, that is not a strawman, but is based on my assessment that Islam isn't going to disappear. Please remember, it was the hardliners like Reynaud de Chatillon that brought down the Crusaders.
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