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**Big A** · 12-28-2005, 07:00 AM

Posted by Olivier:

and is this clever way of thinking also going to help us find a way out, does it tell how you can get back things under control?

This is not a moral question it's a question of strategy. Your way out was to give more money - America"s way is to take a more agressive action. I think the difference is quite clear.

In 1939 the all powerfull Britain and France (both could have crushed Hitler in a month - Czechoslovakia alone could have crushed the Furher in 1938!!!) Europe thought it could accomodate Germany via political means thus avoiding military action. Now they apoligetically call it "appeasement" but in reality it was not - it was lack of interest in a freaking COMMITMENT.

There is no right way to politically accomodate the Middle East if not through force.

Money - they don't need money, they have oil.

Political pressure - Saddam would sit there till his death given all the oil. Such are the leaders in the ME. No Arab leader has volunterily left power in the last 30 years - at least not in my memory.

Military pressure - None there besides US and Britain flying occassional air-patrols.

Economic pressure - with all the oil they care less as long as they could afford their own security. The Arabs make over half a trillion dollars a year on oil!!! - in fact it is so much money that it could physically subsidise healthcare system of entire EU (new and old) for a year!!!!. Much of the revenues from these countries go into security internal and military. Saudi Arabia is considered one of the largest security spenders in the world after US, Russia, and China given the percentage of revenue and money-wise.

The only Arab countries that have some kind of a political life, including that of normal dissent, are the ones without OIL or OIL related facilities. I can only think of only one such country - Lebanon. You can also add Palestinians to the list as well. Neither have much to do with oil and for both the political life is that much more diversified then in all the other Arab states combined.

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Big A Join Date Oct 2005 Age 51 Posts 4,148 Administrator	Posted by Olivier: and is this clever way of thinking also going to help us find a way out, does it tell how you can get back things under control? This is not a moral question it's a question of strategy. Your way out was to give more money - America"s way is to take a more agressive action. I think the difference is quite clear. In 1939 the all powerfull Britain and France (both could have crushed Hitler in a month - Czechoslovakia alone could have crushed the Furher in 1938!!!) Europe thought it could accomodate Germany via political means thus avoiding military action. Now they apoligetically call it "appeasement" but in reality it was not - it was lack of interest in a freaking COMMITMENT. There is no right way to politically accomodate the Middle East if not through force. Money - they don't need money, they have oil. Political pressure - Saddam would sit there till his death given all the oil. Such are the leaders in the ME. No Arab leader has volunterily left power in the last 30 years - at least not in my memory. Military pressure - None there besides US and Britain flying occassional air-patrols. Economic pressure - with all the oil they care less as long as they could afford their own security. The Arabs make over half a trillion dollars a year on oil!!! - in fact it is so much money that it could physically subsidise healthcare system of entire EU (new and old) for a year!!!!. Much of the revenues from these countries go into security internal and military. Saudi Arabia is considered one of the largest security spenders in the world after US, Russia, and China given the percentage of revenue and money-wise. The only Arab countries that have some kind of a political life, including that of normal dissent, are the ones without OIL or OIL related facilities. I can only think of only one such country - Lebanon. You can also add Palestinians to the list as well. Neither have much to do with oil and for both the political life is that much more diversified then in all the other Arab states combined.
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