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**Lillie_Steins** · 09-10-2012, 10:10 PM

I think I am very close to being on your wavelength KJW but your 'standpoint' in this demands classical confirmation as though the classical state is the reality. I can't quite get there as yet as the classical state appears to be whatever agrees with the measuring device and that state which the measuring device is intending to detect is an artificial construct or a frame of reference (if you like) from a conscious observer. :-))

The point that I was making earlier is that it isn't just the devices that we design for measurement purposes that produce the appearence of wavefunction collapse. Wavefunction collapse can be regarded as having occurred whenever any process increases the entropy of the universe.

09-10-2012, 10:10 PM	#56
Lillie_Steins Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 4,508 Senior Member	I think I am very close to being on your wavelength KJW but your 'standpoint' in this demands classical confirmation as though the classical state is the reality. I can't quite get there as yet as the classical state appears to be whatever agrees with the measuring device and that state which the measuring device is intending to detect is an artificial construct or a frame of reference (if you like) from a conscious observer. :-)) The point that I was making earlier is that it isn't just the devices that we design for measurement purposes that produce the appearence of wavefunction collapse. Wavefunction collapse can be regarded as having occurred whenever any process increases the entropy of the universe.
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