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**Adamdjeffe** · 07-20-2012, 10:36 PM

According to the Buddha old age, sickness and death are suffering.

The pali word dukkha cannot be translated as suffering in all places it is referred to. In the same suttas where birth, old age, sickness are referred to as dukkha, the Buddha has said the following regarding cessation of suffering.

But to assume that is automatic and everything ends with our death seems to me to make the eightfold noble path redundant and we simply await or even hasten death in order to end our suffering.

As I said, death is not nibbana. Apples and oranges.

I repeat, the four noble truths are about the liberation from samsara, which means cyclical rebirth.

4NTs are about suffering and its cessation, which applies to the present moment whether a future life exists or not.

When we rid ourselves from clinging, attachment and self-identification it will accomplish this goal - it will not prevent us from suffering sickness, old age or death in this lifetime - there are no such beings walking on two legs on his earth who have achieved this (even the Dalai Lama gets sick and suffers due to this).

MN 9.

Nibbana is not about ending existence.

07-20-2012, 10:36 PM	#10
Adamdjeffe Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 501 Senior Member	According to the Buddha old age, sickness and death are suffering. The pali word dukkha cannot be translated as suffering in all places it is referred to. In the same suttas where birth, old age, sickness are referred to as dukkha, the Buddha has said the following regarding cessation of suffering. But to assume that is automatic and everything ends with our death seems to me to make the eightfold noble path redundant and we simply await or even hasten death in order to end our suffering. As I said, death is not nibbana. Apples and oranges. I repeat, the four noble truths are about the liberation from samsara, which means cyclical rebirth. 4NTs are about suffering and its cessation, which applies to the present moment whether a future life exists or not. When we rid ourselves from clinging, attachment and self-identification it will accomplish this goal - it will not prevent us from suffering sickness, old age or death in this lifetime - there are no such beings walking on two legs on his earth who have achieved this (even the Dalai Lama gets sick and suffers due to this). MN 9. Nibbana is not about ending existence.
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