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**Rqqneujr** · 06-22-2012, 04:38 AM

So is dukkha the underlying reality of this world? It seems so.

The only way out is to assume that the arahant (one who has ended suffering) has in fact ended the perception of others suffering.

I would have to disagree here. An arahant knows others are suffering. But an arahant see nama-rupa, just body & minds; just elements. But those elements are suffering. Those elements are not at peace; just like a sea is not calm but in a storm.

When the mind was thus concentrated, purified, bright, unblemished, rid of defilement, pliant, malleable, steady, & attained to imperturbability, I directed it to the knowledge of the rise & fall of beings. I saw — by means of the divine eye, purified & surpassing the human — beings rising & falling, and I discerned how they are inferior & superior, beautiful & ugly, fortunate & unfortunate in accordance with their kamma: 'These beings — who were endowed with bad conduct of body, speech & mind, who reviled noble ones, held wrong views and undertook actions under the influence of wrong views — with the break-up of the body, after death, have re-appeared in the plane of deprivation, the bad destination, the lower realms, in hell. But these beings — who were endowed with good conduct of body, speech, & mind, who did not revile noble ones, who held right views and undertook actions under the influence of right views — with the break-up of the body, after death, have re-appeared in the good destinations, in the heavenly world.' Thus — by means of the divine eye, purified & surpassing the human — I saw beings rising & falling, and I discerned how they are inferior & superior, beautiful & ugly, fortunate & unfortunate in accordance with their kamma.

06-22-2012, 04:38 AM	#21
Rqqneujr Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 533 Senior Member	So is dukkha the underlying reality of this world? It seems so. The only way out is to assume that the arahant (one who has ended suffering) has in fact ended the perception of others suffering. I would have to disagree here. An arahant knows others are suffering. But an arahant see nama-rupa, just body & minds; just elements. But those elements are suffering. Those elements are not at peace; just like a sea is not calm but in a storm. When the mind was thus concentrated, purified, bright, unblemished, rid of defilement, pliant, malleable, steady, & attained to imperturbability, I directed it to the knowledge of the rise & fall of beings. I saw — by means of the divine eye, purified & surpassing the human — beings rising & falling, and I discerned how they are inferior & superior, beautiful & ugly, fortunate & unfortunate in accordance with their kamma: 'These beings — who were endowed with bad conduct of body, speech & mind, who reviled noble ones, held wrong views and undertook actions under the influence of wrong views — with the break-up of the body, after death, have re-appeared in the plane of deprivation, the bad destination, the lower realms, in hell. But these beings — who were endowed with good conduct of body, speech, & mind, who did not revile noble ones, who held right views and undertook actions under the influence of right views — with the break-up of the body, after death, have re-appeared in the good destinations, in the heavenly world.' Thus — by means of the divine eye, purified & surpassing the human — I saw beings rising & falling, and I discerned how they are inferior & superior, beautiful & ugly, fortunate & unfortunate in accordance with their kamma.
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