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**Desflahd** · 05-27-2012, 01:09 PM

As I've quoted before, the nikayas state that Nibbana is where "conditioned consciousness ceases to exist" and of course "Unborn, Undying, Unbecoming, etc."

yes, where mind & consciousness are no longer conditioned by greed, hatred, attachment & delusion, this is Nibbana, the unborn (where the 'self' thought is not born), as quoted below:

One neither fabricates nor mentally fashions for the sake of becoming or un-becoming. This being the case, one does not cling to anything in the world. Not clinging, one is not agitated. Unagitated, one is totally unbound (Nibbana) right within. One discerns that 'Birth is ended, the holy life fulfilled, the task done. There is nothing further for this world.'

He has been stilled where the currents of construing do not flow. And when the currents of construing do not flow, he is said to be a sage at peace.' Thus was it said. With reference to what was it said? 'I am' is a construing. 'I am this' is a construing. 'I shall be' is a construing. 'I shall not be' is a construing. Construing is a disease, construing is a cancer, construing is an arrow. By going beyond all construing, he is said to be a sage at peace.

A sage at peace is not born, does not age, does not die, is unagitated, and is free from longing. He has nothing whereby he would be born. Not being born, will he age? Not aging, will he die? Not dying, will he be agitated? Not being agitated, for what will he long? It was in reference to this that it was said, 'He has been stilled where the currents of construing do not flow. And when the currents of construing do not flow, he is said to be a sage at peace.'

MN 140

05-27-2012, 01:09 PM	#26
Desflahd Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 660 Senior Member	As I've quoted before, the nikayas state that Nibbana is where "conditioned consciousness ceases to exist" and of course "Unborn, Undying, Unbecoming, etc." yes, where mind & consciousness are no longer conditioned by greed, hatred, attachment & delusion, this is Nibbana, the unborn (where the 'self' thought is not born), as quoted below: One neither fabricates nor mentally fashions for the sake of becoming or un-becoming. This being the case, one does not cling to anything in the world. Not clinging, one is not agitated. Unagitated, one is totally unbound (Nibbana) right within. One discerns that 'Birth is ended, the holy life fulfilled, the task done. There is nothing further for this world.' He has been stilled where the currents of construing do not flow. And when the currents of construing do not flow, he is said to be a sage at peace.' Thus was it said. With reference to what was it said? 'I am' is a construing. 'I am this' is a construing. 'I shall be' is a construing. 'I shall not be' is a construing. Construing is a disease, construing is a cancer, construing is an arrow. By going beyond all construing, he is said to be a sage at peace. A sage at peace is not born, does not age, does not die, is unagitated, and is free from longing. He has nothing whereby he would be born. Not being born, will he age? Not aging, will he die? Not dying, will he be agitated? Not being agitated, for what will he long? It was in reference to this that it was said, 'He has been stilled where the currents of construing do not flow. And when the currents of construing do not flow, he is said to be a sage at peace.' MN 140
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