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**Veveseinlep** · 06-10-2012, 05:33 AM

What aggregate would craving be considered?

sankhara (mental formations)

If it is considered an aggregate, what of Impermanence? not an aggregate

If many are to be reborn into the Human realm, what of the lack and/or growth of bodies, and the sustained lack/need thereof, say should something cataclysmic happen to earth, such as a global killer, and the factual biology of the process of procreation, and the now many more humans in the 'human realm'? superstitious question. the 'human realm' refers to a humane mental state rather than a human physical body. in Pali, the word for human is 'manassa', which literally means 'high minded'

Why isn't other-worldy species that are bound to exist taken into account for literal Rebirth? It is fact that we are one of the youngest galaxies out there.

When literal rebirth has no real effect on a human once they begin to age as a child, and take their shape of mind from their environment and own thoughts, where does conciousness transference come into play?

Is it not ignorance that holds us back from Nibanna? yes

What of medicine that targets the brain, of the human body, specifically, that helps the mind? many things demonstrate mental emotions are related to the physical body. sexual puberty is an excellent example. before puberty, for most, sexual thoughts are rare. but after puberty, sexual thoughts are common

We know that people have commited suicide/harm (Drugs, Dangerous Activities, War (Samurai are a prime example), etc), under the assumption of literal Rebirth, yes, the Bhagavad Gita is a good example. but belief in rebirth can also prevent suicide

Does this not make metaphorical Rebirth better for ones practice? rebirth is a moral teaching about karma (action) and its results, specifically spoken for puthujjana

when practising for Nibbana, the rebirth teachings are irrelevent: see http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipit....117.than.html

In conclusion, what the entire point of this post has been, an inquiry/challenge to the idea of literal rebirth. rebirth was taught by the Buddha, as a moral teaching about karma (action) and its results, specifically for puthujjana. it is an appropriate teaching for puthujjana thus to challenge it is unnecessary and inappropriate. it is only necessary & appropriate to challenge when the higher teachings, such as the 4NTs and Dependent Origination, are misinterpretated as 'rebirth', which is most common in buddhism

No posts such as, "This has nothing to do with the end of your suffering", or the like. the above teaching was made in a certain context, specifically in reference to what the buddha uniquely taught, i.e., buddha's own & original teachings. but buddha also taught rebirth, like the other religions of his day, but buddha never declared rebirth teachings to be 'his', i.e., what 'he' taught

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06-10-2012, 05:33 AM	#5
Veveseinlep Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 395 Senior Member	What aggregate would craving be considered? sankhara (mental formations) If it is considered an aggregate, what of Impermanence? not an aggregate If many are to be reborn into the Human realm, what of the lack and/or growth of bodies, and the sustained lack/need thereof, say should something cataclysmic happen to earth, such as a global killer, and the factual biology of the process of procreation, and the now many more humans in the 'human realm'? superstitious question. the 'human realm' refers to a humane mental state rather than a human physical body. in Pali, the word for human is 'manassa', which literally means 'high minded' Why isn't other-worldy species that are bound to exist taken into account for literal Rebirth? It is fact that we are one of the youngest galaxies out there. When literal rebirth has no real effect on a human once they begin to age as a child, and take their shape of mind from their environment and own thoughts, where does conciousness transference come into play? Is it not ignorance that holds us back from Nibanna? yes What of medicine that targets the brain, of the human body, specifically, that helps the mind? many things demonstrate mental emotions are related to the physical body. sexual puberty is an excellent example. before puberty, for most, sexual thoughts are rare. but after puberty, sexual thoughts are common We know that people have commited suicide/harm (Drugs, Dangerous Activities, War (Samurai are a prime example), etc), under the assumption of literal Rebirth, yes, the Bhagavad Gita is a good example. but belief in rebirth can also prevent suicide Does this not make metaphorical Rebirth better for ones practice? rebirth is a moral teaching about karma (action) and its results, specifically spoken for puthujjana when practising for Nibbana, the rebirth teachings are irrelevent: see http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipit....117.than.html In conclusion, what the entire point of this post has been, an inquiry/challenge to the idea of literal rebirth. rebirth was taught by the Buddha, as a moral teaching about karma (action) and its results, specifically for puthujjana. it is an appropriate teaching for puthujjana thus to challenge it is unnecessary and inappropriate. it is only necessary & appropriate to challenge when the higher teachings, such as the 4NTs and Dependent Origination, are misinterpretated as 'rebirth', which is most common in buddhism No posts such as, "This has nothing to do with the end of your suffering", or the like. the above teaching was made in a certain context, specifically in reference to what the buddha uniquely taught, i.e., buddha's own & original teachings. but buddha also taught rebirth, like the other religions of his day, but buddha never declared rebirth teachings to be 'his', i.e., what 'he' taught regards
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