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**levitratestimon** · 06-01-2012, 06:18 AM

Victorious. This entire discussion has been based on the person 'being there'. In that exact situation, or others like it. I have no idea why you are saying all of those things, other then to attack me.

This has had to do with the First Precept. I am not ranting about how we need to go out of our way to save these people, as much as i'd like to, your right, it happens every day. As I clearly said many times, if you ARE in the situation...

No not to attack you. To make you think. you weren't making much sense some posts ago but as you say later it was a heated discussion.

Peace.

I think there is no leway in the first precept. It is wrong to kill. Period.

But while living in this Samsara we do not have a choice some times. But that does not IMO relieve us of the burden of the act of killing. It would have been bad to kill Breivik but on the other hand it would have been good to save all those children. So killing Breivik you would have done one bad thing and one good thing. Live with it.

According to the classical view of kamma we can not escape it. An action with ill intent based on lobha dosa moha brings bad results.

The assumption that killing sometimes is excempt (did I spell that allright?) from kamma law is IMO a point made through out buddhist history to relieve the burden of genocide from old rulers and kings.

If you make a choice then you got to live with it. That is life. I mean if your child is threateaned you do not stand around wondering how to act so as not to get sued in a court of law by the person threatening your child. You just act and deal with the consequences later.

/Victor

06-01-2012, 06:18 AM	#35
levitratestimon Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 413 Senior Member	Victorious. This entire discussion has been based on the person 'being there'. In that exact situation, or others like it. I have no idea why you are saying all of those things, other then to attack me. This has had to do with the First Precept. I am not ranting about how we need to go out of our way to save these people, as much as i'd like to, your right, it happens every day. As I clearly said many times, if you ARE in the situation... No not to attack you. To make you think. you weren't making much sense some posts ago but as you say later it was a heated discussion. Peace. I think there is no leway in the first precept. It is wrong to kill. Period. But while living in this Samsara we do not have a choice some times. But that does not IMO relieve us of the burden of the act of killing. It would have been bad to kill Breivik but on the other hand it would have been good to save all those children. So killing Breivik you would have done one bad thing and one good thing. Live with it. According to the classical view of kamma we can not escape it. An action with ill intent based on lobha dosa moha brings bad results. The assumption that killing sometimes is excempt (did I spell that allright?) from kamma law is IMO a point made through out buddhist history to relieve the burden of genocide from old rulers and kings. If you make a choice then you got to live with it. That is life. I mean if your child is threateaned you do not stand around wondering how to act so as not to get sued in a court of law by the person threatening your child. You just act and deal with the consequences later. /Victor
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