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**Veveseinlep** · 05-05-2012, 04:25 PM

Buddha spoke to people with different capabilities so he made allowances.There are both in is teaching but some are facts straight and simple. Jati as a prime example. How could that be confused with thoughts defeats me.

It is the most basic understanding in Buddhism, even by those Buddhists who are firm believers in literal post-mortem rebirth, that jati has different meanings, which are physical, mental & also social

32. Now, this word birth (játi) has many meanings.

For in the passage “[He recollects … ] one birth (játi), two births” (D I 81) it is becoming.

In the passage, “Visákhá, there is a kind (játi) of ascetics called Nigaóþhas (Jains)” (A I 206) it is a monastic order.

In the passage, “Birth (játi) is included in two aggregates” (Dhátuk 15) it is the characteristic of whatever is formed.

In the passage, “His birth is due to the first consciousness arisen, the first cognition manifested, in the mother’s womb” (Vin I 93) it is rebirth-linking.

In the passage “As soon as he was born (sampatijáta), Ánanda, the Bodhisatta …” (M III 123) it is parturition.

In the passage “One who is not rejected and despised on account of birth” (A III 152) it is clan.

In the passage “Sister, since I was born with the noble birth” (M II 103) it is the Noble One’s virtue.

Visuddhimagga

05-05-2012, 04:25 PM	#4
Veveseinlep Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 395 Senior Member	Buddha spoke to people with different capabilities so he made allowances.There are both in is teaching but some are facts straight and simple. Jati as a prime example. How could that be confused with thoughts defeats me. It is the most basic understanding in Buddhism, even by those Buddhists who are firm believers in literal post-mortem rebirth, that jati has different meanings, which are physical, mental & also social 32. Now, this word birth (játi) has many meanings. For in the passage “[He recollects … ] one birth (játi), two births” (D I 81) it is becoming. In the passage, “Visákhá, there is a kind (játi) of ascetics called Nigaóþhas (Jains)” (A I 206) it is a monastic order. In the passage, “Birth (játi) is included in two aggregates” (Dhátuk 15) it is the characteristic of whatever is formed. In the passage, “His birth is due to the first consciousness arisen, the first cognition manifested, in the mother’s womb” (Vin I 93) it is rebirth-linking. In the passage “As soon as he was born (sampatijáta), Ánanda, the Bodhisatta …” (M III 123) it is parturition. In the passage “One who is not rejected and despised on account of birth” (A III 152) it is clan. In the passage “Sister, since I was born with the noble birth” (M II 103) it is the Noble One’s virtue. Visuddhimagga
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