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Old 03-07-2012, 03:17 AM   #31
justashonglefan

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Only the continuity of thinking as the psychological phenomenon, considers itself to be something, whether 'Buddhist' or 'Republican' or anything else. There is no such thing as an enlightened Buddhist.
self-identification may end but the mind practising "Buddhism" does not end

consider the following famous words of the arahant Assaji:

After they had exchanged the usual courteous greetings. Upatissa said: "Serene are your features, friend. Pure and bright is your complexion. Under whom, friend, have you gone forth as an ascetic? Who is your teacher and whose doctrine do you profess?"

Assaji replied: "There is, O friend, the Great Recluse, the scion of the Sakyas, who has gone forth from the Sakya clan. Under that Blessed One I have gone forth. That Blessed One is my teacher and it is his Dhamma that I profess." in enlightenment, greed, hatred, delusion, attachment & self-identification end however speaking conventional truth does not

it is the mind that takes refuge in Buddhism (the teachings) and it is the mind that realises the Dhamma (natural truth)

the mind is impersonal. Buddhism is impersonal. Natural Truth is impersonal. the enlightened ('buddha') mind is impersonal

enlightenment manifests as liberation. if concepts cannot be communicated by an enlightened mind, then this is not liberation

instead, it is bondage to non-conceptuality; it is bondage to silence & non-being

imo, enlightenment does not end 'Buddhism' or 'trees' or 'dog' or 'clouds'. imo, enlightenment just ends attachment to things, including ending attachment to Buddhism

regards

[Deva:]
He who's an Arahant, his work achieved,
Free from taints, in final body clad,
That monk still might use such words as "I."
Still perchance might say: "They call this mine."
Would such a monk be prone to vain conceits?

[The Blessed One:]
Bonds are gone for him without conceits,
All delusion's chains are cast aside:
Truly wise, he's gone beyond such thoughts.
That monk still might use such words as "I,"
Still perchance might say: "They call this mine."
Well aware of common worldly speech [conventions],
He would speak conforming to such use.

SN 1.25 648. The usual way of the world is to be planned about name and clan,
But accumulated things meet coincidently, at the right time.

[Bodhi: For name and clan are assigned as mere designations of the world;
Origination in conventions, they are assigned here & now
]

649. Ignorantly entangled in views for a long time,
The not knowing tell us, that by birth a brahmin is born.

650. By birth a brahmin is not born, by birth a non-brahmin is not born,
By actions a brahmin is born, by actions a non-brahmin is born.

651. By actions a farmer is born, by actions a craftsman is born,
By actions a merchant is born, by actions a workman is born.

652. By actions a robber is born, by actions a soldier is born,
By actions an adviser is born, by actions a king is born.

653. Thus the wise see action as it really is,
Seeing it dependently arise becomes clever in the results of actions.

MN 98 Why now do you assume 'a being'?
Mara, have you grasped a view?
This is a heap of sheer constructions:
Here no being is found.

There's the convention 'a being.'

SN 5.10 "Citta, these are the world's designations, the world's expressions, the world's ways of speaking, the world's descriptions, with which the Tathagata expresses himself but without grasping to them."

Potthapada Sutta
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