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**Muhabsssa** · 02-27-2012, 05:12 AM

I think its like this, normal people die, but a Buddha has already 'died' by renouncing self, then has experienced states of bliss during samadhi meditation, as well as mastery control of the mind and the 32 marks of a superman, so at that point there is nothing else to gain, since all those pleasures are aggregates, liberation is still most desired.

That is why the Buddha is a teacher of gods and man, because a state of heaven would still be subject to self awareness and so it could still cause desires. True heaven is the cessation of desires without any chance of a return desire. At least that is what makes sense to me.

02-27-2012, 05:12 AM	#10
Muhabsssa Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 577 Senior Member	I think its like this, normal people die, but a Buddha has already 'died' by renouncing self, then has experienced states of bliss during samadhi meditation, as well as mastery control of the mind and the 32 marks of a superman, so at that point there is nothing else to gain, since all those pleasures are aggregates, liberation is still most desired. That is why the Buddha is a teacher of gods and man, because a state of heaven would still be subject to self awareness and so it could still cause desires. True heaven is the cessation of desires without any chance of a return desire. At least that is what makes sense to me.
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