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Old 01-05-2012, 10:00 PM   #5
exeftWabreava

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Hi tijampel,

I have read several times my statement and I don't see where is the trouble there. Maybe it was not clear.

Lets go by parts:

Randomness is a core feature for natural events. Random events have two main characteristics: Possibility of a happening and the probability of such happening.

For example: the Possibility of a hurricane in the arctic North Sea is null but not for the Caribbean Sea. In the Caribbean Sea the random probability to hit the City of Mérida is higher than that of hitting the City of Campeche for the case of México.

To have been born in a wealthy family is a random event. Because there are much more non wealthy families the probability of having been born in them is low. That is, too, a random event.

The probability of being born with a birth defect is higher from a non healthy mother or a mother that smokes or drinks or is under nourished.

The probability of being born in a underdeveloped country is a random event as it is the probability of being born in a country that is through a war or a civil revolution.

Being born under difficult conditions is a random event. The newborn did not ask for that.

Being born with a birth defect is under the laws of randomness; possibility and probability.

I do not believe there is a God that rules it, neither a past kammic fate of a past life that has ripen kammic deeds in this present life nor a stream of consciousness that goes from the past into the future, nor an alaya-vijñana.

Infants, newborns, children, babies are not persons in accordance with the field of Developmental Psychology and also for the school of Jean Piaget.

Also grown ups -in accordance to Carl Rogers school, Jack Mezirow, Knud Illeris and others that work Adult Education- are in the process of becoming a "person" through maturing reasoning and insightful penetration skills. Some other schools call this "individuation".

Bad luck and good luck are just concepts but bad luck and good luck are part of randomness of life. There are people with good and bad luck in life. I can't see where is the problem with that.

Buddha has talk about the fortunate event for some people to hear the Dhamma, to understand it and to take refuge in it:

Then, just as a strong man might extend his flexed arm or flex his extended arm, Brahma Sahampati disappeared from the Brahma-world and reappeared in front of me. Arranging his upper robe over one shoulder, he knelt down with his right knee on the ground, saluted me with his hands before his heart, and said to me: 'Lord, let the Blessed One teach the Dhamma! Let the One-Well-Gone teach the Dhamma! There are beings with little dust in their eyes who are falling away because they do not hear the Dhamma. There will be those who will understand the Dhamma.'

MN 26
I also remember vaguely a simile about a turtle diving in the ocean and while showing its head out of it, it gets through the hole of a yoke floating in the sea..., as a metaphor of "good luck"; but I have not found this sutta, so hope I am not mistaken.

The Buddha also has taught -in the Two Arrows Sutta- that there is bodily pain and mental pain.

Bodily pain is unavoidable as is the case of a birth defect, too. What is avoidable is the mental proliferation around that event that leads to mental suffering.

"Now, the well-instructed disciple of the noble ones, when touched with a feeling of pain, does not sorrow, grieve, or lament, does not beat his breast or become distraught. So he feels one pain: physical, but not mental. Just as if they were to shoot a man with an arrow and, right afterward, did not shoot him with another one, so that he would feel the pain of only one arrow. In the same way, when touched with a feeling of pain, the well-instructed disciple of the noble ones does not sorrow, grieve, or lament, does not beat his breast or become distraught. He feels one pain: physical, but not mental.

Sallatha Sutta
This sutta is teaching us about the mental/emotional disposition to an unavoidable event that is bodily pain or can be a physical birth defect, too.

But for this mental understanding it is needed some level of cognition, reasoning and insight penetration that are still not developed in newborns, babies, infants, children and some grown ups.

If the reasoning ability is impaired because a birth defect, the understanding of the Dhamma will not happen. And this event is a random one, too.

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