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**Corporal White** · 01-07-2012, 04:13 PM

there are various practitioners who are said to have achieved a variety of realizations, up to enlightenment, and some of them are living today. You can't know unless and until you achieve a level of realization where you too are within reach of that goal.

Yes, I already know that - and sadly that can also sometimes be a convenient party line for some with lesser achievements posing as great teachers. Especially if the students are encouraged to view the teacher as a manifestation of the Buddha.

It would be really great if you could see a physical change that was undeniable in every being that achieved the level of arhat or even stream enterer/arya; then we could compare between traditions, and choose the one with the highest percentage, I suppose.

Maybe it would for some, but I think that if all the modern 'gurus' were crowded into a large room before a special test, it's possible that it might be almost empty afterwards, lol !

....or even stream enterer

Said to be the same as the first Bodhisattva level, by the way.

01-07-2012, 04:13 PM	#26
Corporal White Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 495 Senior Member	there are various practitioners who are said to have achieved a variety of realizations, up to enlightenment, and some of them are living today. You can't know unless and until you achieve a level of realization where you too are within reach of that goal. Yes, I already know that - and sadly that can also sometimes be a convenient party line for some with lesser achievements posing as great teachers. Especially if the students are encouraged to view the teacher as a manifestation of the Buddha. It would be really great if you could see a physical change that was undeniable in every being that achieved the level of arhat or even stream enterer/arya; then we could compare between traditions, and choose the one with the highest percentage, I suppose. Maybe it would for some, but I think that if all the modern 'gurus' were crowded into a large room before a special test, it's possible that it might be almost empty afterwards, lol ! ....or even stream enterer Said to be the same as the first Bodhisattva level, by the way.
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