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**Creelaleps** · 01-08-2012, 12:01 AM

It's just the randomness of nature, the natural (unmediated by ignorance and the mental states that are outflows from it) order of things. This is a materialist view and, as one who studied in the sciences for quite a while, it makes sense on a certain level. Of course, this is not the view that I nurture nor the view that I favor. That doesn't mean it's incorrect. It means that I need to practice a lot harder and achieve insight myself to understand these issues in greater depth. Then I'll have more than just an opinion.

Hi tj,
The 'randomness of nature' angle is just another theory. Perhaps its in our nature to rationalize our world but whatever label we pin to it is only ever just that - a label. Some labels work sometimes and in some contexts, so they have their uses. I guess science couldn't function without them but you know more about that than me.

Regarding the Vajrayana angle, I also find it completely valid as I have HYT empowerments and training. It comes down to how its understood etc.

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Creelaleps Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 356 Senior Member	It's just the randomness of nature, the natural (unmediated by ignorance and the mental states that are outflows from it) order of things. This is a materialist view and, as one who studied in the sciences for quite a while, it makes sense on a certain level. Of course, this is not the view that I nurture nor the view that I favor. That doesn't mean it's incorrect. It means that I need to practice a lot harder and achieve insight myself to understand these issues in greater depth. Then I'll have more than just an opinion. Hi tj, The 'randomness of nature' angle is just another theory. Perhaps its in our nature to rationalize our world but whatever label we pin to it is only ever just that - a label. Some labels work sometimes and in some contexts, so they have their uses. I guess science couldn't function without them but you know more about that than me. Regarding the Vajrayana angle, I also find it completely valid as I have HYT empowerments and training. It comes down to how its understood etc.
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