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**furillo** · 01-31-2012, 05:49 AM

There is a simple question here,''is rebirth an attachment or not?''To me, to believe rebirth of a person after he/she has has passed away clearly is an attachment. Because such a unnatural phenomenon is not possible. However if rebirth is not used in this sense, and if it is not a personal one, then I have a right to ask what is it then?

dear Bothi

the scriptures show the Buddha taught:

1. rebirth belief is an attachment; however

2. rebirth belief also sides with merit or motivation to do good karma

imo, Buddha had one goal, which was to help free human beings from suffering

one experience which generates suffering in ordinary (unenlightened) people is death

so, imo, believing in rebirth can help ordinary people free their minds from suffering in relation to death

often, ordinary people do not devote time & practise to feeling at peace with the realities of impermanence, death, not-self & emptiness

kind regards

element

[Buddha said:]

And what is right view? Right view, I tell you, is of two sorts: There is right view with effluents [asava], siding with merit, resulting in the acquisitions [of becoming]; and there is noble right view, without effluents, transcendent, a factor of the path.

And what is the right view that has effluents, sides with merit & results in acquisitions? 'There is what is given, what is offered, what is sacrificed. There are fruits & results of good & bad actions. There is this world & the other worlds. There is mother & father. There are spontaneously reborn beings; there are priests & contemplatives who, faring rightly & practicing rightly, proclaim this world & the others after having directly known & realized it for themselves.' This is the right view that has effluents, sides with merit, & results in acquisitions.

And what is the right view that is without effluents, transcendent, a factor of the path? The wisdom, the faculty of wisdom, the strength of wisdom, analysis of realities as a factor for Awakening, the path factor of right view of one developing the noble path whose mind is noble, whose mind is free from effluents, who is fully possessed of the noble path. This is the right view that is without effluents, transcendent [lokuttara], a factor of the path.

Maha-cattarisaka Sutta: The Great Forty

acquisitions = 'upadi'
attachment = 'upadana'
synonyms

01-31-2012, 05:49 AM	#4
furillo Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 439 Senior Member	There is a simple question here,''is rebirth an attachment or not?''To me, to believe rebirth of a person after he/she has has passed away clearly is an attachment. Because such a unnatural phenomenon is not possible. However if rebirth is not used in this sense, and if it is not a personal one, then I have a right to ask what is it then? dear Bothi the scriptures show the Buddha taught: 1. rebirth belief is an attachment; however 2. rebirth belief also sides with merit or motivation to do good karma imo, Buddha had one goal, which was to help free human beings from suffering one experience which generates suffering in ordinary (unenlightened) people is death so, imo, believing in rebirth can help ordinary people free their minds from suffering in relation to death often, ordinary people do not devote time & practise to feeling at peace with the realities of impermanence, death, not-self & emptiness kind regards element [Buddha said:] And what is right view? Right view, I tell you, is of two sorts: There is right view with effluents [asava], siding with merit, resulting in the acquisitions [of becoming]; and there is noble right view, without effluents, transcendent, a factor of the path. And what is the right view that has effluents, sides with merit & results in acquisitions? 'There is what is given, what is offered, what is sacrificed. There are fruits & results of good & bad actions. There is this world & the other worlds. There is mother & father. There are spontaneously reborn beings; there are priests & contemplatives who, faring rightly & practicing rightly, proclaim this world & the others after having directly known & realized it for themselves.' This is the right view that has effluents, sides with merit, & results in acquisitions. And what is the right view that is without effluents, transcendent, a factor of the path? The wisdom, the faculty of wisdom, the strength of wisdom, analysis of realities as a factor for Awakening, the path factor of right view of one developing the noble path whose mind is noble, whose mind is free from effluents, who is fully possessed of the noble path. This is the right view that is without effluents, transcendent [lokuttara], a factor of the path. Maha-cattarisaka Sutta: The Great Forty acquisitions = 'upadi' attachment = 'upadana' synonyms
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