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**payloansday** · 01-31-2012, 03:35 PM

In ''Anatta and Rebirth" Bhikkku Buddhadasa stated the following :

''The Buddha said that, "I teach only one thing: dukkha and the quenching of dukkha." That is what all the teachings are about, dukkha and the quenching of dukkha. He didn't talk about other things.

Whether or not there is rebirth is not the fundamental question, because once one is born here and now, there is dukkha like this and it must be quenched like this. Even if you are born again, dukkha is like this and must be quenched in the same way.

Why bother talking about birth or no birth? Talk only about how dukkha arises and how dukkha is quenched. Just this is already enough. For this reason the Buddha taught anatta. Once anatta is fully realized, there is no dukkha. When there is no atta, dukkha isn't born, anymore. Therefore, he taught the quenching of dukkha, that is, he taught this matter of not-self.

The teaching of anatta is essential for the ending of dukkha. Arguments and discussions about whether there is rebirth or not are a waste of time. Whether "it" will be born or not, there is still this business of quenching dukkha like this.

It's better to speak about this quenching of dukkha instead. This quenching of dukkha is the fact that there is no atta, is understanding that everything is anatta.

We can conclude by saying that if you understand anatta correctly and truly, then you will discover for yourself that there is no rebirth and no reincarnation. The matter is finished. ''

http://das-buddhistische-haus.de/pag...nd_Rebirth.pdf

In 'MN 140 : An Anaysis of the Properties'.... Buddha said:

''He has been stilled where the currents of construing do not flow. And when the currents of construing do not flow, he is said to be a sage at peace.' Thus was it said. With reference to what was it said? 'I am' is a construing. 'I am this' is a construing. 'I shall be' is a construing. 'I shall not be'... 'I shall be possessed of form'... 'I shall not be possessed of form'... 'I shall be percipient'... 'I shall not be percipient'... 'I shall be neither percipient nor non-percipient' is a construing. Construing is a disease, construing is a cancer, construing is an arrow. By going beyond all construing, he is said to be a sage at peace.

"Furthermore, a sage at peace is not born, does not age, does not die, is unagitated, and is free from longing. He has nothing whereby he would be born. Not being born, will he age? Not aging, will he die? Not dying, will he be agitated? Not being agitated, for what will he long? It was in reference to this that it was said, 'He has been stilled where the currents of construing do not flow. And when the currents of construing do not flow, he is said to be a sage at peace.''

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipit....140.than.html

01-31-2012, 03:35 PM	#10
payloansday Join Date Dec 2005 Posts 605 Senior Member	In ''Anatta and Rebirth" Bhikkku Buddhadasa stated the following : ''The Buddha said that, "I teach only one thing: dukkha and the quenching of dukkha." That is what all the teachings are about, dukkha and the quenching of dukkha. He didn't talk about other things. Whether or not there is rebirth is not the fundamental question, because once one is born here and now, there is dukkha like this and it must be quenched like this. Even if you are born again, dukkha is like this and must be quenched in the same way. Why bother talking about birth or no birth? Talk only about how dukkha arises and how dukkha is quenched. Just this is already enough. For this reason the Buddha taught anatta. Once anatta is fully realized, there is no dukkha. When there is no atta, dukkha isn't born, anymore. Therefore, he taught the quenching of dukkha, that is, he taught this matter of not-self. The teaching of anatta is essential for the ending of dukkha. Arguments and discussions about whether there is rebirth or not are a waste of time. Whether "it" will be born or not, there is still this business of quenching dukkha like this. It's better to speak about this quenching of dukkha instead. This quenching of dukkha is the fact that there is no atta, is understanding that everything is anatta. We can conclude by saying that if you understand anatta correctly and truly, then you will discover for yourself that there is no rebirth and no reincarnation. The matter is finished. '' http://das-buddhistische-haus.de/pag...nd_Rebirth.pdf In 'MN 140 : An Anaysis of the Properties'.... Buddha said: ''He has been stilled where the currents of construing do not flow. And when the currents of construing do not flow, he is said to be a sage at peace.' Thus was it said. With reference to what was it said? 'I am' is a construing. 'I am this' is a construing. 'I shall be' is a construing. 'I shall not be'... 'I shall be possessed of form'... 'I shall not be possessed of form'... 'I shall be percipient'... 'I shall not be percipient'... 'I shall be neither percipient nor non-percipient' is a construing. Construing is a disease, construing is a cancer, construing is an arrow. By going beyond all construing, he is said to be a sage at peace. "Furthermore, a sage at peace is not born, does not age, does not die, is unagitated, and is free from longing. He has nothing whereby he would be born. Not being born, will he age? Not aging, will he die? Not dying, will he be agitated? Not being agitated, for what will he long? It was in reference to this that it was said, 'He has been stilled where the currents of construing do not flow. And when the currents of construing do not flow, he is said to be a sage at peace.'' http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipit....140.than.html
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