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**Alex Photographer** · 01-13-2012, 10:23 AM

In MN 43 we read:

"For what one feels, that one perceives. What one perceives, that one cognizes. Therefore these qualities are conjoined, not disjoined, and it is not possible, having separated them one from another, to delineate the difference among them."

well quoted

In MN 18 we read:

"Dependent on eye & forms, eye-consciousness arises. The meeting of the three is contact. With contact as a requisite condition, there is feeling. What one feels, one perceives (labels in the mind). What one perceives, one thinks about. What one thinks about, one objectifies (papañcizes)."

Rather, it seems papañca is worth understanding...

sure it is. this seems to be what Ajahn Sumedho is referring to

but papañca is not a significant word in the suttas. thus there is no need to create a cult or sect around it

it seems saṅkhāra is worth understanding (sabbe saṅkhāra duḥkha), because these phenomena are involved with how dukkha arises....

sabbe saṅkhāra duḥkha is certainly worth understanding because it is involved with how liberation occurs

the suttas state:

All conditioned things are unsatisfactory — when one sees this with wisdom, one turns away from suffering. This is the path to purification.

Maggavagga What do you think of this, O monks? Is it permanent or impermanent?

Impermanent, O Lord.

Now, that which is impermanent, is it unsatisfactory or satisfactory?

Unsatisfactory, O Lord.

The well-instructed noble disciple, seeing thus, gets wearied of form, gets wearied of feeling, gets wearied of perception, gets wearied of mental formations, gets wearied of consciousness. Being wearied he becomes passion-free. In his freedom from passion, he is emancipated.

Anatta-lakkhana Sutta if sabbe saṅkhāra duḥkha is not understood as involved with liberation, it is not understood

Ajahn Dhammanando has explained this correctly on DW

to reiterate:

saṅkhittena pañcupādānakkhandhā dukkhā (in summary, clinging to the five aggregates is stressful) results in suffering (mental torment) per the 1st Noble Truth

sabbe saṅkhāra duḥkha results in liberation per the 2nd Sermon

this is the standard right understanding of knowledgeable Buddhists

thus new cults based in wrong idiosyncratic understanding of sabbe saṅkhāra duḥkha are not required in enlightened Buddhism

kind regards

01-13-2012, 10:23 AM	#16
Alex Photographer Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 422 Senior Member	In MN 43 we read: "For what one feels, that one perceives. What one perceives, that one cognizes. Therefore these qualities are conjoined, not disjoined, and it is not possible, having separated them one from another, to delineate the difference among them." well quoted In MN 18 we read: "Dependent on eye & forms, eye-consciousness arises. The meeting of the three is contact. With contact as a requisite condition, there is feeling. What one feels, one perceives (labels in the mind). What one perceives, one thinks about. What one thinks about, one objectifies (papañcizes)." Rather, it seems papañca is worth understanding... sure it is. this seems to be what Ajahn Sumedho is referring to but papañca is not a significant word in the suttas. thus there is no need to create a cult or sect around it it seems saṅkhāra is worth understanding (sabbe saṅkhāra duḥkha), because these phenomena are involved with how dukkha arises.... sabbe saṅkhāra duḥkha is certainly worth understanding because it is involved with how liberation occurs the suttas state: All conditioned things are unsatisfactory — when one sees this with wisdom, one turns away from suffering. This is the path to purification. Maggavagga What do you think of this, O monks? Is it permanent or impermanent? Impermanent, O Lord. Now, that which is impermanent, is it unsatisfactory or satisfactory? Unsatisfactory, O Lord. The well-instructed noble disciple, seeing thus, gets wearied of form, gets wearied of feeling, gets wearied of perception, gets wearied of mental formations, gets wearied of consciousness. Being wearied he becomes passion-free. In his freedom from passion, he is emancipated. Anatta-lakkhana Sutta if sabbe saṅkhāra duḥkha is not understood as involved with liberation, it is not understood Ajahn Dhammanando has explained this correctly on DW to reiterate: saṅkhittena pañcupādānakkhandhā dukkhā (in summary, clinging to the five aggregates is stressful) results in suffering (mental torment) per the 1st Noble Truth sabbe saṅkhāra duḥkha results in liberation per the 2nd Sermon this is the standard right understanding of knowledgeable Buddhists thus new cults based in wrong idiosyncratic understanding of sabbe saṅkhāra duḥkha are not required in enlightened Buddhism kind regards
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