[cheapphenonline]

Hi TJ,

Thank you for such a detail explanation. We might have to end up agreeing to disagree, but your response is very educational nonetheless and may prove to be useful to some readers.

I will briefly mention some of my disagreements below.

Firstly....though it's tangential to what I was talking about I nevertheless wish to state this, as we may have a different understandings of how to go about "looking for" emptiness.

BTW, I don't look for emptiness. I only bring "emptiness" up because my impression is that most Buddhists seem to be obsessed with it. I am concern with Sunyata, not emptiness. But I don't go look for Sunyata either. Sunyata permeates all around us, there is no reason to go look for it.

Those who assert emptiness need not create anything at all, or look for some exotic object to negate, to see or feel this quality in their mind; their mind, all by itself sees and feels, smells, hears, tastes, thinks and, does each of these things in a totally deluded way so....just look at your own mind; don't make anything up at all....just examine that.

To me, to look at my own mind is to create another "mind" to do the looking. I don't need to have 2 minds, one is plenty for me.

Sorry if I don't address rest of your post. Because that is your method, and I'll defer to you.

I do not doubt that this method works for you, and I am happy for it.