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**hasasnn2345tv** · 12-06-2011, 04:33 PM

I disagree based on the difference between philosophical reductionism (which he adheres to here) and philosophical holism (which I adhere to in regards to a being).

The skhandas in unison do constitute a person/being, a self, although it is an entity in a constant state of change, it is not a static, unchanging, independent thing. This is the self Buddhism refutes. Not the conventional self/being.

hi RLP

the skhandas in unison do not constitute a "self", according to Buddhism

according to Buddhism, "self-view" can arise in relation to any number of skhandas, including merely one skhanda

according to Buddhism, the "conventional self" is a mental fabrication (communicated by one of the skhandas; mere words)

regards

'A being,' lord. 'A being,' it's said. To what extent is one said to be 'a being'?

Any desire, passion, delight or craving for form (the body), Radha: when one is caught up there, tied up there, one is said to be 'a being.'

Any desire, passion, delight or craving for feeling... perception... fabrications...

Any desire, passion, delight or craving for consciousness, Radha: when one is caught up there, tied up there, one is said to be 'a being.'

Just as when boys or girls are playing with little sand castles: as long as they are not free from passion, desire, love, thirst, fever & craving for those little sand castles, that's how long they have fun with those sand castles, enjoy them, treasure them, feel possessive of them.

Satta Sutta
Why now do you assume 'a being'?
Mara, have you grasped a view?
This is a heap of sheer constructions:
Here no being is found.

Just as, with an assemblage of parts,
The word 'chariot' is used,
So, when the aggregates are present,
There's the convention 'a being.'

It's only suffering that comes to be,
Suffering that stands and falls away.
Nothing but suffering comes to be,
Nothing but suffering ceases.

Vajira Sutta
[Deva:]
He who's an Arahant, his work achieved,
Free from taints, in final body clad,
That monk still might use such words as "I."
Still perchance might say: "They call this mine."
Would such a monk be prone to vain conceits?

[The Blessed One:]
Bonds are gone for him without conceits,
All delusion's chains are cast aside:
Truly wise, he's gone beyond such thoughts.
That monk still might use such words as "I,"
Still perchance might say: "They call this mine."
Well aware of common worldly speech [conventions],
He would speak conforming to such use.

Araham Sutta: The Arahant

12-06-2011, 04:33 PM	#20
hasasnn2345tv Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 501 Senior Member	I disagree based on the difference between philosophical reductionism (which he adheres to here) and philosophical holism (which I adhere to in regards to a being). The skhandas in unison do constitute a person/being, a self, although it is an entity in a constant state of change, it is not a static, unchanging, independent thing. This is the self Buddhism refutes. Not the conventional self/being. hi RLP the skhandas in unison do not constitute a "self", according to Buddhism according to Buddhism, "self-view" can arise in relation to any number of skhandas, including merely one skhanda according to Buddhism, the "conventional self" is a mental fabrication (communicated by one of the skhandas; mere words) regards 'A being,' lord. 'A being,' it's said. To what extent is one said to be 'a being'? Any desire, passion, delight or craving for form (the body), Radha: when one is caught up there, tied up there, one is said to be 'a being.' Any desire, passion, delight or craving for feeling... perception... fabrications... Any desire, passion, delight or craving for consciousness, Radha: when one is caught up there, tied up there, one is said to be 'a being.' Just as when boys or girls are playing with little sand castles: as long as they are not free from passion, desire, love, thirst, fever & craving for those little sand castles, that's how long they have fun with those sand castles, enjoy them, treasure them, feel possessive of them. Satta Sutta Why now do you assume 'a being'? Mara, have you grasped a view? This is a heap of sheer constructions: Here no being is found. Just as, with an assemblage of parts, The word 'chariot' is used, So, when the aggregates are present, There's the convention 'a being.' It's only suffering that comes to be, Suffering that stands and falls away. Nothing but suffering comes to be, Nothing but suffering ceases. Vajira Sutta [Deva:] He who's an Arahant, his work achieved, Free from taints, in final body clad, That monk still might use such words as "I." Still perchance might say: "They call this mine." Would such a monk be prone to vain conceits? [The Blessed One:] Bonds are gone for him without conceits, All delusion's chains are cast aside: Truly wise, he's gone beyond such thoughts. That monk still might use such words as "I," Still perchance might say: "They call this mine." Well aware of common worldly speech [conventions], He would speak conforming to such use. Araham Sutta: The Arahant
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