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**gusunsuth** · 11-23-2011, 08:03 AM

Hi ratikala,

please excuse me , but even people in india ?...duhkham , it is a sanskrit word , equateing to suffering in the same sence as buddha used it , so sorry to contradict but I am afraid they did know what it meant ...... dissquietitude . unsteadiness . and is often translated in just this way allso from palli .(how ever I understand the mistake as very little is taught about pre buddhist india within the buddhist tradition)

I didn't think that I was saying that Indians didn't know what dukkha mean. I thought I wrote that they did not know why they have dukkha. Didn't Siddhartha left the palace to search for the cause and reason for all the suffering?

sorry this part I dont quite understand ?......sunyata is not about the fleeting nature , but is about the un steady nature , the illusive nature , the un satisfactory nature , ..thus suffering!

Sorry if I was not clear. I was referring to Srivijaya 's usage of fleeting nature that most people understand the world to be and use it as an justification to "seize the day" (I assume in a less than ideal way) so to speak. I mean, someone who simply tell us that we are all going to die, is not someone who's telling us anything really useful, right?

so I am assuming that you are meaning "dependent origination" is that in order to originate there must be an origin ,

For a phenomenon, let us call it "A" to be created (birth is the term used sometime), there must be a possibility that it can occur. Once there is a possibility, then the requirements for "A" must be fulfilled. The requirements are the "A"'s dependencies. "dependent origination" is the creation of a phenomenon as the result of fulling of a phenomenon's dependencies.

So before "dependent origination", there is no "A". But there is a possibility for "A", so is a "possibility " an origin?

Anyway, I can see that our understanding of sunyata really differs. And probably not just sunyata, but all the basic Buddhist terms.

11-23-2011, 08:03 AM	#27
gusunsuth Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 495 Senior Member	Hi ratikala, please excuse me , but even people in india ?...duhkham , it is a sanskrit word , equateing to suffering in the same sence as buddha used it , so sorry to contradict but I am afraid they did know what it meant ...... dissquietitude . unsteadiness . and is often translated in just this way allso from palli .(how ever I understand the mistake as very little is taught about pre buddhist india within the buddhist tradition) I didn't think that I was saying that Indians didn't know what dukkha mean. I thought I wrote that they did not know why they have dukkha. Didn't Siddhartha left the palace to search for the cause and reason for all the suffering? sorry this part I dont quite understand ?......sunyata is not about the fleeting nature , but is about the un steady nature , the illusive nature , the un satisfactory nature , ..thus suffering! Sorry if I was not clear. I was referring to Srivijaya 's usage of fleeting nature that most people understand the world to be and use it as an justification to "seize the day" (I assume in a less than ideal way) so to speak. I mean, someone who simply tell us that we are all going to die, is not someone who's telling us anything really useful, right? so I am assuming that you are meaning "dependent origination" is that in order to originate there must be an origin , For a phenomenon, let us call it "A" to be created (birth is the term used sometime), there must be a possibility that it can occur. Once there is a possibility, then the requirements for "A" must be fulfilled. The requirements are the "A"'s dependencies. "dependent origination" is the creation of a phenomenon as the result of fulling of a phenomenon's dependencies. So before "dependent origination", there is no "A". But there is a possibility for "A", so is a "possibility " an origin? Anyway, I can see that our understanding of sunyata really differs. And probably not just sunyata, but all the basic Buddhist terms.
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