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**Pataacculakp** · 11-13-2011, 05:55 PM

I was just interested in pointing out that a lot of Buddhists believe in a form of moral judgement that is just as wicked as that of the Christians, Jews, whatever.

Yes, its the idea of punishment karma that some use to explain away tragic events. However the Buddha said:

AN 4.77 Acintita Sutta: Unconjecturable

"There are these four unconjecturables that are not to be conjectured about, that would bring madness & vexation to anyone who conjectured about them. Which four?

"The Buddha-range of the Buddhas is an unconjecturable that is not to be conjectured about, that would bring madness & vexation to anyone who conjectured about it.

"The jhana-range of a person in jhana...

"The [precise working out of the] results of kamma...

"Conjecture about [the origin, etc., of] the world is an unconjecturable that is not to be conjectured about, that would bring madness & vexation to anyone who conjectured about it.

"These are the four unconjecturables that are not to be conjectured about, that would bring madness & vexation to anyone who conjectured about them"

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipit....077.than.html

For Mahayana practitioners, there are some short essays on karma which might be helpful. They are by Ken Mcleod, a student of the late Kalu Rinpoche who became a teacher himself.

Here's one called "Karma doesn't Explain anything" (3 small pages)

excerpt:

"Ironically, when we probe deeper into classical treatments of karma, we find that the explanation karma appears to offer isn’t much of an explanation. Traditionally, only a fully awakened being (a buddha) can see exactly how an action develops into a result.

Karma, itself, is a mystery.

I feel that karma as explanation adds very little to our lives. It lulls us into the belief that there is an order to the universe, it allows us to project a universe that we would like to exist, it can be used to justify horrific inequities and rigid moral positions and in the end only replaces one mystery with another."

http://www.unfetteredmind.org/karma-two-approaches/2

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Pataacculakp Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 463 Senior Member	I was just interested in pointing out that a lot of Buddhists believe in a form of moral judgement that is just as wicked as that of the Christians, Jews, whatever. Yes, its the idea of punishment karma that some use to explain away tragic events. However the Buddha said: AN 4.77 Acintita Sutta: Unconjecturable "There are these four unconjecturables that are not to be conjectured about, that would bring madness & vexation to anyone who conjectured about them. Which four? "The Buddha-range of the Buddhas is an unconjecturable that is not to be conjectured about, that would bring madness & vexation to anyone who conjectured about it. "The jhana-range of a person in jhana... "The [precise working out of the] results of kamma... "Conjecture about [the origin, etc., of] the world is an unconjecturable that is not to be conjectured about, that would bring madness & vexation to anyone who conjectured about it. "These are the four unconjecturables that are not to be conjectured about, that would bring madness & vexation to anyone who conjectured about them" http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipit....077.than.html For Mahayana practitioners, there are some short essays on karma which might be helpful. They are by Ken Mcleod, a student of the late Kalu Rinpoche who became a teacher himself. Here's one called "Karma doesn't Explain anything" (3 small pages) excerpt: "Ironically, when we probe deeper into classical treatments of karma, we find that the explanation karma appears to offer isn’t much of an explanation. Traditionally, only a fully awakened being (a buddha) can see exactly how an action develops into a result. Karma, itself, is a mystery. I feel that karma as explanation adds very little to our lives. It lulls us into the belief that there is an order to the universe, it allows us to project a universe that we would like to exist, it can be used to justify horrific inequities and rigid moral positions and in the end only replaces one mystery with another." http://www.unfetteredmind.org/karma-two-approaches/2
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