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Old 11-14-2011, 05:43 AM   #29
yahyynzer

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...if you're raised in a group/society where theft (like shoplifting) is actively encouraged (maybe your mom is an anarchist and you live in a hippie village), I have a really hard time believing you're going to experience a lot of negative "mental" kammic retribution just because you spend your days stealing....
so do thieves live happy & peaceful lives, without internal fear & worry, accruing no external enemies & retribution?

what about this? Melbourne gangland killings

The Melbourne gangland killings were the murders in Melbourne, Victoria, Australia of 36 criminal figures or partners between 16 January 1998 and 13 August 2010. The murders were in a series of retributional murders involving various underworld groups. The deaths caused a sustained power vacuum within Melbourne's criminal community, as various factions fought for control and influence. also, the Buddha's views on moral relativism the can be found in the Veludvareyya Sutta

Furthermore, householders, a noble disciple reflects thus:

‘If someone were to take from me what I have not given, that is, to steal from me, that would not be desirable nor agreeable to me. Now, if I were to take from another what he has not given, that is, to steal from him, that would not be desirable nor agreeable to him, too.

What is undesirable and disagreeable to me is undesirable and disagreeable to others, too. How can I inflict upon another what is undesirable and disagreeable to me?’

Having reflected thus, he himself refrains from taking the not-given, exhorts others to refrain from taking the not-given and speaks in praise of refraining from taking the not-given. regards

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