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**Wachearex** · 10-31-2011, 12:10 PM

This is a fact that I consider as such. Also, if the Buddha didn't found nothing, it has to be considered to be relevant for the rebirth ideas.

Ah. I should have been more careful with my wording. Not "found nothing", but found nothing except the body, the various sensations and what we make of them, and the ongoing stream of consciousness. No spirit, soul, homunculus or anything that can zip out of the body at death and enter another body.

No need to bring this, necessarily, into the after death realm. It can be framed in a single life time. The theory [as a body of proved facts] of Complex Systems can give light into this fact. True. There is nothing that remains constant or unchanged throughout a single lifetime, and the effects of one's actions can be experienced before this consciousness dissipates. There's no telling how many times rebirth occurs in this lifetime. But the effects do continue after the breakup of this body. We are all subject to the actions of people we've never met nor even knew existed.

Yes. But this spirit is "transcribed" into actions and behaviors that influence social order and has an impact in behaviour and social construction of behavior patterns. Maybe. In what sense are you using the word 'spirit'? As an animating force or ghost that resides in the body? Metaphorically? Something else?

Time needed to digest this concepts... Years, for me.

True but with certain caution. Effects are not so stable or completely under accurate prediction. Like Milinda case number 8, as far as I understand it. True again. It's not a form of determinism. It's conditioned co-arising. Things "tend to" arise under certain prevailing conditions, rather than the deterministic "do arise".

I'm really enjoying this conversation, Kaarine!

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Wachearex Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 426 Senior Member	This is a fact that I consider as such. Also, if the Buddha didn't found nothing, it has to be considered to be relevant for the rebirth ideas. Ah. I should have been more careful with my wording. Not "found nothing", but found nothing except the body, the various sensations and what we make of them, and the ongoing stream of consciousness. No spirit, soul, homunculus or anything that can zip out of the body at death and enter another body. No need to bring this, necessarily, into the after death realm. It can be framed in a single life time. The theory [as a body of proved facts] of Complex Systems can give light into this fact. True. There is nothing that remains constant or unchanged throughout a single lifetime, and the effects of one's actions can be experienced before this consciousness dissipates. There's no telling how many times rebirth occurs in this lifetime. But the effects do continue after the breakup of this body. We are all subject to the actions of people we've never met nor even knew existed. Yes. But this spirit is "transcribed" into actions and behaviors that influence social order and has an impact in behaviour and social construction of behavior patterns. Maybe. In what sense are you using the word 'spirit'? As an animating force or ghost that resides in the body? Metaphorically? Something else? Time needed to digest this concepts... Years, for me. True but with certain caution. Effects are not so stable or completely under accurate prediction. Like Milinda case number 8, as far as I understand it. True again. It's not a form of determinism. It's conditioned co-arising. Things "tend to" arise under certain prevailing conditions, rather than the deterministic "do arise". I'm really enjoying this conversation, Kaarine!
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