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**esenesesinas** · 11-02-2011, 07:39 AM

What could be a better translation of the same sutta you are referring to is here:

Notice that it does not say "rebirth" but merely "birth". From my understanding, what the Buddha says here is that "craving" is the supportive condition for "birth" and this "birth" is the mental birth of the ego-self (a body). As long as there is craving, ego-self appears again and again. It makes perfect sense.

You seem to be interpreting the sutta as, when a being dies (leaves this "physical body") and is someone who has not eliminated defilement altogether, then taking his mental craving as a supportive condition, the being is reborn in another body?? Am I right? No matter how much you try to interpret this with similes or examples, it still sounds at lease remotely resembling to "reincarnation." If not please explain the process directly without being so vague about it.

Please read #15 on the previous page, by daverupa. That's the source of the excerpt you're mistaking as my position. My statements were made against that view, not for it. If you read my response to his post, it should be clearer.

11-02-2011, 07:39 AM	#25
esenesesinas Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 512 Senior Member	What could be a better translation of the same sutta you are referring to is here: Notice that it does not say "rebirth" but merely "birth". From my understanding, what the Buddha says here is that "craving" is the supportive condition for "birth" and this "birth" is the mental birth of the ego-self (a body). As long as there is craving, ego-self appears again and again. It makes perfect sense. You seem to be interpreting the sutta as, when a being dies (leaves this "physical body") and is someone who has not eliminated defilement altogether, then taking his mental craving as a supportive condition, the being is reborn in another body?? Am I right? No matter how much you try to interpret this with similes or examples, it still sounds at lease remotely resembling to "reincarnation." If not please explain the process directly without being so vague about it. Please read #15 on the previous page, by daverupa. That's the source of the excerpt you're mistaking as my position. My statements were made against that view, not for it. If you read my response to his post, it should be clearer.
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