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**asivisepo** · 11-02-2011, 12:04 PM

We were talking about this as a stream of consciousness. Like the case of the poem. The poem is not consciousness nor a stream. It is a mind object.

The harm that the kid feels is not because a stream of consciousness ; it is a feeling because she/he remembers a past event, as an image of being hurt. An image that is an object of mind-consciousness. I don't think that those are streams but objects of mind/eye/... consciousness.

I'm also confused by the difficulty. Maybe the word "metaphor" means something different to you than it means to me? I'm not saying that consciousness is really a stream, nor is a poem. It appears to be streaming because the infinitesmally small thought-moments are sequenced by the mind into an ongoing, coherent event. That's necessary for organisms to behave coherently with the environment in order to survive.

Also, if you reify even thought objects into entities that persist through time, you're making the same mistake as reifying a person out of experience. Every memory is a new event, not the same event repeating itself. Yet its pattern is the result of an experience, so it's not completely random, either.

When you hear a poem and then recite the poem, it's not really the same poem. It's a completely new event, patterened after and dependent upon the hearing of the poem the first time. Poems aren't entities any more than people, and the repetition of patterns experienced as people is the rebirth of the person.

As far as I can tell.

11-02-2011, 12:04 PM	#30
asivisepo Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 456 Senior Member	We were talking about this as a stream of consciousness. Like the case of the poem. The poem is not consciousness nor a stream. It is a mind object. The harm that the kid feels is not because a stream of consciousness ; it is a feeling because she/he remembers a past event, as an image of being hurt. An image that is an object of mind-consciousness. I don't think that those are streams but objects of mind/eye/... consciousness. I'm also confused by the difficulty. Maybe the word "metaphor" means something different to you than it means to me? I'm not saying that consciousness is really a stream, nor is a poem. It appears to be streaming because the infinitesmally small thought-moments are sequenced by the mind into an ongoing, coherent event. That's necessary for organisms to behave coherently with the environment in order to survive. Also, if you reify even thought objects into entities that persist through time, you're making the same mistake as reifying a person out of experience. Every memory is a new event, not the same event repeating itself. Yet its pattern is the result of an experience, so it's not completely random, either. When you hear a poem and then recite the poem, it's not really the same poem. It's a completely new event, patterened after and dependent upon the hearing of the poem the first time. Poems aren't entities any more than people, and the repetition of patterns experienced as people is the rebirth of the person. As far as I can tell.
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