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Old 10-30-2011, 08:22 AM   #20
AM1VV9r6

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Soteriology is used here to denote the Buddha's liberative teachings, as distinguished from superstitions which preceded him. Yes, in this case, soteriology is very cool.
Stuka

as i already suggested, 'soteriology' does not always imply total soteriology (solace/liberation)

it seems only supramundane buddhadhamma can offer 100% soteriology

but to limit soteriology to 100% soteriology would preclude most, if not all, other religions from soteriology

however, this is contrary to what the Buddha taught because the Buddha taught there are at least four ways of soteriology, including soteriology via loving-kindness (see MN 43)

if fact, in what appears contrary to your views, the Buddha seemed also teach about soteriology via morality

One that is mired in the effluents and which consists of superstitions that preceded him, and his own which he identified as being liberative.
hi Stuka

you seem to be denigrating the mundane right view but it seems the Buddha did not share your attitude

thus he specifically called it "right view" and praised it

it seems the Buddha did not denigrate dhamma that encouraged morality, gratitude, respect for mother & father, fear of the lower worlds, etc

the Buddha praised honoring one's mother & father, etc, (even though this is the mundane right view)



[the Buddha said:]

And what is the right view that has effluents, sides with merit & results in acquisitions?

There is what is given, what is offered, what is sacrificed. There are fruits & results of good & bad actions. There is this world & the other worlds. There is mother & father. There are spontaneously born beings; there are priests & contemplatives who, faring rightly & practicing rightly, proclaim this world & the others after having directly known & realized it for themselves.

This is the right view that has effluents, sides with merit & results in acquisitions.

MN 117 [the Buddha said:]

This venerable person is still praised in the here-&-now by the wise as a person of good habits & right view: one who holds to a doctrine of existence. If there really is an other world, then this venerable person has made a good throw twice, in that he is praised by the wise here-&-now; and in that — with the break-up of the body, after death — he will reappear in the good destination, the heavenly world. Thus this safe bet teaching, when well grasped & adopted by him, covers both sides and leaves behind the possibility of the unskillful.

MN 60 [the Buddha said:]

1. Many deities and men longing for soteriology have pondered on (the question of) blessings. Pray tell me what the highest blessings are.

2. Not to associate with the foolish, but to associate with the wise, and to honor those worthy of honor — this is the highest blessing.

3. To reside in a suitable locality, to have performed meritorious actions in the past, and to set oneself in the right direction — this is the highest blessing.

4. Vast learning, skill in handicrafts, well grounded in discipline, and pleasant speech — this is the highest blessing.

5. To support one's father and mother; to cherish one's wife and children, and to be engaged in peaceful occupations — this is the highest blessing.

6. Liberality, righteous conduct, rendering assistance to relatives, and performance of blameless deeds — this is the highest blessing.

7. To cease and abstain from evil, to abstain from intoxicating drinks, and diligent in performing righteous acts — this is the highest blessing.

Maha-mangala Sutta [the Buddha said:]

Living with Brahma are those families where, within the home, mother and father are respected by their children. Living with the early devas are those families where, within the home, mother and father are respected by their children. Living with the early teachers are those families where, within the home, mother and father are respected by their children. Living with those worthy of adoration are those families where, within the home, mother and father are respected by their children.

'Brahma,' bhikkhus, is a term for mother and father. 'Early devas' and 'early teachers' and 'those worthy of veneration' are terms for mother and father. For what reason? Because mother and father are very helpful to their children, they take care of them and bring them up and teach them about the world.

With Brahma
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