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**DavidShreder** · 10-16-2011, 01:43 AM

Thanks Aloka,

From the link you gave:

"What is likely to have happened is that the Buddha changed the way he taught. This would be quite appropriate given the rapid change and development of his following over the years. In the early times there was a small group of dedicated, attained followers, while in later years you had many less dedicated, less intelligent followers. In addition the seniors had already learnt the basics thoroughly and wanted more detailed teachings (e.g. the Mahanidana Sutta); and there was increasing specialisation in different areas like Vinaya, systematic analysis (proto-Abhidhamma), or lay teaching.

Sujato's Blog

If Buddha wasn't awake, if he was not a Tataghata, he could never give the adequate teaching to the adequate person or group of people. That he could is an indication of his realized enlightenment. He taught for many years... so the chance to meet different situations was at hand. Being enlightened and holding just one and only one sort of view -Sammaditthi- is why he could accomplish such endeavour.

So to sum all this up, I think we can speak of the Awakened experience as “permanent” in a at least couple of senses. It is “permanent” in the sense that there is a permanent cessation of greed, hatred, and delusion. And it is “permanent” in the sense that it forms a view of reality that is essentially correct and does not need to change over time.

Sujato's Blog
Agree.

This is a difficult question in Buddhist philosophy, which has been raised and discussed many times over the years. I hope this little post helps makes things a little clearer

Sujato's Blog
Maybe because I am not skilled in philosophical entanglements I don't see the difficult to address what the teachings of Buddha are about:

"What I have revealed is: 'This is Suffering, this is the Arising of Suffering, this is the Cessation of Suffering, and this is the Path that leads to the Cessation of Suffering.' And why, monks, have I revealed it?

"Because this is related to the goal, fundamental to the holy life, conduces to disenchantment, dispassion, cessation, tranquillity, higher knowledge, enlightenment and Nibbaana, therefore I have revealed it.

"Therefore, monks, your task is to learn: 'This is Suffering, this is the Arising of Suffering, this is the Cessation of Suffering, this is the Path that leads to the Cessation of Suffering.' That is your task."

Simsapa Sutta
Maybe the Simsapa Sutta seems simple but is the great reminder, the compass about what the Buddha taught and for its realization the unique view is the Noble one.

10-16-2011, 01:43 AM	#19
DavidShreder Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 434 Senior Member	Thanks Aloka, From the link you gave: "What is likely to have happened is that the Buddha changed the way he taught. This would be quite appropriate given the rapid change and development of his following over the years. In the early times there was a small group of dedicated, attained followers, while in later years you had many less dedicated, less intelligent followers. In addition the seniors had already learnt the basics thoroughly and wanted more detailed teachings (e.g. the Mahanidana Sutta); and there was increasing specialisation in different areas like Vinaya, systematic analysis (proto-Abhidhamma), or lay teaching. Sujato's Blog If Buddha wasn't awake, if he was not a Tataghata, he could never give the adequate teaching to the adequate person or group of people. That he could is an indication of his realized enlightenment. He taught for many years... so the chance to meet different situations was at hand. Being enlightened and holding just one and only one sort of view -Sammaditthi- is why he could accomplish such endeavour. So to sum all this up, I think we can speak of the Awakened experience as “permanent” in a at least couple of senses. It is “permanent” in the sense that there is a permanent cessation of greed, hatred, and delusion. And it is “permanent” in the sense that it forms a view of reality that is essentially correct and does not need to change over time. Sujato's Blog Agree. This is a difficult question in Buddhist philosophy, which has been raised and discussed many times over the years. I hope this little post helps makes things a little clearer Sujato's Blog Maybe because I am not skilled in philosophical entanglements I don't see the difficult to address what the teachings of Buddha are about: "What I have revealed is: 'This is Suffering, this is the Arising of Suffering, this is the Cessation of Suffering, and this is the Path that leads to the Cessation of Suffering.' And why, monks, have I revealed it? "Because this is related to the goal, fundamental to the holy life, conduces to disenchantment, dispassion, cessation, tranquillity, higher knowledge, enlightenment and Nibbaana, therefore I have revealed it. "Therefore, monks, your task is to learn: 'This is Suffering, this is the Arising of Suffering, this is the Cessation of Suffering, this is the Path that leads to the Cessation of Suffering.' That is your task." Simsapa Sutta Maybe the Simsapa Sutta seems simple but is the great reminder, the compass about what the Buddha taught and for its realization the unique view is the Noble one.
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