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Old 09-26-2011, 02:12 PM   #22
MartZubok

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Also birth (jati) is one of the 12 links in the chain of dependent origination, which suggests to me (perhaps it's a radical idea here) that birth is dependent upon prior action. After all they are links; if birth is an entirely adventitious phenomenon, as it relates to kamma, at least, then why is it a link? Each link is both a cause and a result. So birth must be a both cause (of everything that comes after it) and a result of what comes before it, and prior links must be its cause. If not, what is its cause? The 12 links are a closed system in terms of cause and effect; otherwise, as with any experimental design, there is no force in the teaching (if there are extraneous causes---unaccounted for variables which produce the various links in the chain, the teaching is unpersuasive; other things might then account for each of the links and no thesis could possibly be proven). Can one be a Buddhist and take the position that birth is entirely unrelated to prior actions of body, speech, mind? I don't see how. Seeing the 12 links a representing a single lifespan breaks the chain at death.
Can I suggest that you read this essay "Paticcasamuppada:
Practical Dependent Origination"
by the late Bhikkhu Buddhadasa, please tjampel?

http://www.dhammatalks.net/Books6/Bh...asamuppada.htm

You might also like to look at PA Payutto's booklet on "Dependent Origination - Chapter 5 Other Interpretations" where we can see it explained over the course of one day.

http://www.buddhanet.net/cmdsg/coarise.htm

Both of these men are well-known and highly respected Thai Buddhist teachers, by the way.


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