[HakSpeame]

What does "existence", or a "doctrine of existence", refer to here?

hi ST

my interpretation is the doctrine of 'existence' is that of continued existence, based in the view "I will continue to exist"

this accords with the other aspects of the defiled right view, such as "there are spontaneously born beings"

however, in the undefiled (transcendent) right view, there are no "beings". there is anatta (not-self), emptiness (sunnata) and merely dependently arisen phenomena

'A being,' lord. 'A being,' it's said. To what extent is one said to be 'a being'?

Any desire, passion, delight or craving for form...feeling...perception...fabrications...consc iousness, Radha: when one is caught up there, tied up there, one is said to be 'a being.'

Satta Sutta: A Being When a disciple of the noble ones has seen well with right discernment this dependent co-arising & these dependently co-arisen phenomena as they have come to be, it is not possible that he would run after the past, thinking, 'Was I in the past? Was I not in the past? What was I in the past? How was I in the past? Having been what, what was I in the past?' or that he would run after the future, thinking, 'Shall I be in the future? Shall I not be in the future? What shall I be in the future? How shall I be in the future? Having been what, what shall I be in the future?' or that he would be inwardly perplexed about the immediate present, thinking, 'Am I? Am I not? What am I? How am I? Where has this being come from? Where is it bound?' Such a thing is not possible. Why is that?

Because the disciple of the noble ones has seen well with right discernment this dependent co-arising & these dependently co-arisen phenomena as they have come to be."

Paccaya Sutta: Requisite Conditions SN 12.15 describes the undefiled transcendent right view, namely: "When one sees the cessation of the world as it actually is with right discernment, 'existence' with reference to the world does not occur to one"

so MN 60 is a faith teaching, addressed to householders

where as SN 12.15 is a wisdom (discernment) teaching for those interested in enlightenment

MN 60 and SN 12.15 impart two different teachings

these two different kinds of teachings are listed in MN 117, which states: "of right view, there are two sorts"

MN 60 is the first sort of right view. SN 12.15 is the second sort of right view

kind regards

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And what is right view? Right view, I tell you, is of two sorts: There is right view with effluents [asava], siding with merit, resulting in the acquisitions [of becoming]; and there is noble right view, without effluents, transcendent, a factor of the path.

MN 117